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Why Didn't Raila Order The Arrest Of Bashir (Constutution Does Not Provide)

Dear all,

Raila is not empowered constitutionally to deal with cases like arresting Bashir.

He can only mobilize his party in parliament for a local tribunal to undress the PEV suspects and give a political will to the Hague intended visitors.

We now have a chain of command from the President,the PM and the VP.

SOME OFFICES ARE MORE DIRECT IN OPE RATIONALIZATION LIKE THE Office of the President,Internal Security,Foreign Affairs than the question of consulting Raila as the PM Where information can be kept secret.

We didn't need to invite Bashir to order his arrest.

All said or argued,Bashir was used to send unwritten statement that WE SHALL NOT SEND OUR PEV SUSPECTS TO THE HAGUE COME RAIN,DOGS AND CATS.

Thank you all,

Evans MACHERA.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, asego2002 <asego2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: asego2002 <asego2002@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [africa-oped] Re: [NVK-Mageuzi] WHY DIDN'T RAILA ORDER THE ARREST OF BASHIR
To: africa-oped@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:50 PM

Barack,

It is hard to look outside a bubble when you are stuck inside it. Kenyans are stuck inside a bubble and they dont even realize the bubble exists. It is sure tempting to extrapolate forward and think the status quo will last forever.

The Oba of Homa Bay County
c/o Pedo Primary School
Kanyada Kanyabala K'Ojanga

--- In africa-oped@yahoogroups.com, barack abonyo <luo31@...> wrote:
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> As per now there is no formidable candidate that can beat the status quo. That is the most unfortunate thing. Most of those who have declared their stand like Wajackoya still remain boardroom candidates. This will not beat Raila or Kibakilets who are constantly going around the country selling themselves. We just hope someone strong will come up. May be we just need a dj like what happened I believe commoro island.
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> College of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences
> Florida A and M University
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> From: oduyaericson@...
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> I really support your call for an early election. My worry is only one; are we prepared enough to usher in a new leadership when the elections are called or we are just contented with the status quo championed by KBK as the chairman deputised by J.A.K.O.M? If we are contented then we would rather continue with the current arrangment until death do us part because why spend money to do an election meant to just replace KBK with either JAKOM,UK,Bill and the likes. it is not worth it brother!
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> Subject: [africa-oped] RE: [NVK-Mageuzi] WHY DIDN'T RAILA ORDER THE ARREST OF BASHIR
> To: nvk-mageuzi@yahoogroups.com, "newvision" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, newvisionkenya@egroups.com, "youngprofessionals" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>, "africa-oped@yahoogroups.com" <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>, dickens.odhiambo@...
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> I am glad to hear from you my brother. Word has it that like he did in Chad, Bashir gave money to come to the party. It was too lucrative to turn down. Some of the money is in people's pockets while others are shelved for 2012 compaigns. ODM simply need to quit and call for another election which they can now do very easily. We do not want a stalemate culminating into an extension of Kibaki government. We need a new election.
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> On the diaspora movement, we have formed Kenya Global Unity that will from now on champion diaspora course. Our first objective is to petition the government to have the logistics in place for us to vote in 2012. Second objective is for diaspora to have a representation. Of course statistics has it that there are 3 million kenyans out here. Because many of them are educated, it is very likely that 70% of them will vote if the logistics are in place. The best part of this is that this lot will tend to vote issues rather than tribalism. Furthermore if 70% vote it will mean that we will have 2.1million sure swing vote. Diaspora will therefore be a force to reckon with.
> Go to Kenya Global Unity face book page and website. Please join us in fighting injustice and mediocrity in government. We can beat this through one man, one woman, one family, one group solidified action
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> Dr. Barack Otieno Abonyo
> Associate Professor of Pharmacology
> College of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences
> Florida A and M University
> 1415 Martin Luther King Dr.
> Tallahassee Fl, 32304
> Tel:850-561-2553
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> I am thinking that vigilance is the way to go here; and am urging all of us here in the diaspora to think and re-think seriously of our contribution to the new Kenya...Please educate me, how many are we out here (diaspora)? 3million? is this number good enough to influence the change we can TRUST in???
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> Subject: [NVK-Mageuzi] WHY DIDN'T RAILA ORDER THE ARREST OF BASHIR
> To: "newvision" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, newvisionkenya@egroups.com, "youngprofessionals" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>, "africa-oped@yahoogroups.com" <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>, nvk-mageuzi@yahoogroups.com, dickens.odhiambo@...
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> If only Raila had some powers in this government, if Raila is indeed the prime minister of the republic of Kenya, could he not have ordered/demanded an immediate arrest of Bashir? And if he actually orderd the police commisioner to do that and nothing happened could that be considered as insurbodination. If Raila was really the prime minister of the republic of Kenya could he have known that a head of state is comming to the country where he shares equal powers with the president? How can Moses Watengula know something while Raila is kept in the dark? Do we have two parrallel governements in our country?
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> Ladies and gentlmen, we are being set up for chaos. We do not have a government. We simply have a clan led by the twelve desciples of the devil himself. Our elected leaders have no idea what goes on. Instaed of acting they are crying back to us and yet we have no defense. That is why many of us are still IDPS. This Bashir thing is more seriouse that just the hague. It digs deep to the core of our government and it is an indicator that we are a failed state run by three or four people. If the prime minister has no idea what is going on in his own government then who should know?
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> The constitution has been passed. This should be the straw that broke the camels back. It is time for Raila to mobilize his group when he is still popular and call for elections so that is ruled by an elected president. Kibaki has something up his sleeves and he need to be stopped before it is too late. We do not want chaos, we need peace and cooperation and I think it is time for people to go back to the ballot box.
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> Associate Professor of Pharmacology
> College of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences
> Florida A and M University
> 1415 Martin Luther King Dr.
> Tallahassee Fl, 32304
> Tel:850-561-2553
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RE: [NVK-Mageuzi] RE: SOME ADVISE TO PM ON HIS SPEECH

Jonah,

You keep disappointing me. You are staying with very small issues, and you are so persistent with those small issues.

Can we please move to real issues that build and unite us as Kenyans?

oto

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [NVK-Mageuzi] RE: SOME ADVISE TO PM ON HIS SPEECH
To: "mlalahoi mlalahoi" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 6:30 AM

It appears you must have been meditating on PM's speech. In that case did you hear 'ndumakwiri'? Who was this refering to? Is it a kiswahili word?

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:40:21 -0700
From: birjef@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [NVK-Mageuzi] RE: SOME ADVISE TO PM ON HIS SPEECH
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com

Hi Jonah Ogaro,

Unless you were no attentive, he mentioned the three names of JM as Josiah Mwangi Kariuki. If you were waiting for him to mention JM Kariuki, he thought faster than u digested.

Birundu

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, ndolo asasa Esq <ndoloasasa@gmail.com> wrote:

From: ndolo asasa Esq <ndoloasasa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NVK-Mageuzi] RE: SOME ADVISE TO PM ON HIS SPEECH
To: NVK-Mageuzi@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "mlalahoi mlalahoi" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>, "NVK NVK" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 2:02 AM

Is it not good that at the time of celebrations, the pains, uncertainties and lessons realised be ensured not to be forgetten?

The PM, in my opinion, was just ensuring that we remain sober to the realities as we were devoured in the delirium that was a milestone victory!!! It was a kind of reminder that lest we forget, what has been can be again.

On 30 August 2010 11:47, Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com> wrote:

PM's speech was the best on the day of katiba promulgation. However, he made afew blunders:

(i) Refering to others as popo left some of us wondering who he was refering to.
(ii) That minyoo which does not die after being eaten by chicken. Inaishi ndani ya tumbo halafu inatoka huko chini. Kuku anapinduka anafikiri ni mnyoo mwingine. Anakula tena. ....

I did not hear him pay tribute to the late JM Kariuki. JM should not have been mentioned in the group of 'na wale wengine'.

Sometimes I thought PM had become too old. Those are not good statements to make on a serious occasion graced with international dignitaries. Whether one was a popo, a minyoo or kuku were irrelevant on that occassion. We forge forward BUT not to rub it in. After all the katiba is for all Kenyans.

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RE: [NVK-Mageuzi] SOME ADVISE TO PM ON HIS SPEECH

Fellows,
Even when a team is victorious it is standard procedure to reflect on weaknesses and what could have gone wrong. Raila was simply reminding us of those amongst them that were celebrating but had feet on both sides! And quite rightly so. We all know it was a hard fight to deliver that constitution and he was justified in pointing out the popos and worms that could easily have derailed the process but there pretending to celebrate with the rest of us. Tell it like it is!

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From: Jonah Ogaro
Sent: 31-08-2010 4:30:48 pm
Subject: RE: [NVK-Mageuzi] RE: SOME ADVISE TO PM ON HIS SPEECH

It appears you must have been meditating on PM's speech. In that case did you hear 'ndumakwiri'? Who was this refering to? Is it a kiswahili word?

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:40:21 -0700
From: birjef@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [NVK-Mageuzi] RE: SOME ADVISE TO PM ON HIS SPEECH
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com

Hi Jonah Ogaro,

Unless you were no attentive, he mentioned the three names of JM as Josiah Mwangi Kariuki. If you were waiting for him to mention JM Kariuki, he thought faster than u digested.

Birundu

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, ndolo asasa Esq <ndoloasasa@gmail.com> wrote:

From: ndolo asasa Esq <ndoloasasa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NVK-Mageuzi] RE: SOME ADVISE TO PM ON HIS SPEECH
To: NVK-Mageuzi@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "mlalahoi mlalahoi" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>, "NVK NVK" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 2:02 AM

Is it not good that at the time of celebrations, the pains, uncertainties and lessons realised be ensured not to be forgetten?

The PM, in my opinion, was just ensuring that we remain sober to the realities as we were devoured in the delirium that was a milestone victory!!! It was a kind of reminder that lest we forget, what has been can be again.

On 30 August 2010 11:47, Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com> wrote:

PM's speech was the best on the day of katiba promulgation. However, he made afew blunders:

(i) Refering to others as popo left some of us wondering who he was refering to.
(ii) That minyoo which does not die after being eaten by chicken. Inaishi ndani ya tumbo halafu inatoka huko chini. Kuku anapinduka anafikiri ni mnyoo mwingine. Anakula tena. ....

I did not hear him pay tribute to the late JM Kariuki. JM should not have been mentioned in the group of 'na wale wengine'.

Sometimes I thought PM had become too old. Those are not good statements to make on a serious occasion graced with international dignitaries. Whether one was a popo, a minyoo or kuku were irrelevant on that occassion. We forge forward BUT not to rub it in. After all the katiba is for all Kenyans.

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Re: Bashir was a guest of Obama not Kenya

It is instructive to note, and I dont think anyone has mentioned this so far that at Uhuru park Museveni did not come close nor shake hands with Bashir. His body language even while in stride with Kimunya was very telling. Total no nonsense guy Yoweri is. He WOULD apprehend Bashir and he's ready to dig in and fight Shabaab.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Njeru Kithendu <kithendu@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Njeru Kithendu <kithendu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bashir was a guest of Obama not Kenya
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:05 PM

Karegwa you hit the nail on the head and more so when it was hot. I personally don't think that Kenya is well placed to arrest El Bashir. Kenya is looking ahead and casting the net on the referendum that will separate North Sudan and South Sudan. With the separation Kenya has alot to gain especially economically. The best thing Kibaki has done is to just keep quiet and leave those holier than thou guys to talk just to embarass themselves.
The invitation had nothing to do with party politics. It had to do with the government that is shared on a 50/50 agreement by the coalition government of Kenya.

To me it looks like Kenya was playing a hook and bait game where El Bashir will think that East Africa is an open ground to show America that nothing will actually happen about the ICC call. With this arrangement El Bashir will travel to Tanzania and will not be arrested but once he steps in Kampala that will be the end of the game. M7 is a no nonsense guy who will do anything to clean his name about the political situation in some areas where El Bashir is thought to be the funding agent of murder and "genocide".

I remain to be corrected.

Kithendu wa Wanja

In Juba
--- On Tue, 8/31/10, karegwa muchiri <muchirikaregwa@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: karegwa muchiri <muchirikaregwa@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bashir was a guest of Obama not Kenya
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:57 AM

I agree with everyone that Bashir should have been arrested. For all that we have read, he deserves a crib in the Hague.. Bashir however did not just appear from the blues. Whowever invited him must have assured him that he would not be arrested in Kenya. Arresting Bashir on the soil of Kenya would have serious ramifications from Islamic fundamentalists and Al Qaida brothers. By failing to arrest Bashir, Kenya was able to appease all those militants that would want to attack Kenya. Bashir is an ideal friend to ensure there is peace in the region and isolate Islamic Militants in the region. Bashir is the last guy you want to antagonise and even United States is divided on how to deal with Bashir issue. On a posititive note, having Bashir in town was the best lesson for him on how to deal with the Sudan Referendum due next year. Sudan goes to referendum in January next year and Al Bashir has learnt through Kenya that the will of the people is stronger than Military force. He witnessed a sea of humanity at uhuru park with a resolve to forge the country forward. I aver that Bashir's visit was organised by United States for him to learn what it means to admit to the will of the people in the event the Southern Sudan decides to recede from the North. Obama was playing to the gallery and he and RED BURGER know that too well . American oil interests in Southern Sudan are bigger than any skull digging of justice for the massacred Darfurians.. This is not the time to antagonize Bashir. Obama is dying to make friends with Arabs and this time again he succeeded but left Kenya to carry the mess. Bashir indeed was a guest of United States of America in Nairobi not Kenya.

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:46:13 -0700
From: aggreynyongesa@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: El Bashir.
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com

No body wants to be at war with the neighbour except if it is too inevitable.However ,which war could be sparked had Bashir been excluded from the promulgation ceremony in Kenya?How was the regional peace at stake so as to invite an adversely indicted person to spoil our historic party? Doing what Kenya did to invite Bashir was not playing political neutrality but a diplomatic gaffe.Period.

--- On Mon, 8/30/10, modhiambos@yahoo.com <modhiambos@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: modhiambos@yahoo.com <modhiambos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: El Bashir.
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 6:05 PM

The AU. Who wants to be at war with a neighbour?

By the way arresting Bashir would spark real war with Sudan, who wants that? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya

From: Ernest OYUGI <eoyugi@yahoo.com>

Sender: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com

Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:49:12 -0700 (PDT)

To: <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>

ReplyTo: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: El Bashir.

the AU and UN which one is Supreme?

--- On Sun, 8/29/10, martin onzere <martinonzere@gmail.com> wrote:

From: martin onzere <martinonzere@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: El Bashir.
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 10:52 PM

Think this statement from the AU makes alot of sense.
Read the attached .

On 29 August 2010 11:58, UoN Nairobi <sojmap2007@gmail.com> wrote:

To begin with, Kikwete was not at the function, Bashir is not Mohamed but Omar. It is unfortunate that most Kenyans see thigs from a Western perspective to become the potential "western parrots". As intellectuals we have to analyse the Darfur case carefully and avoid falling into the quagmire. I certainly know that many of you will be furious but, let's get our facts right. The was between Bashir and the West is due to Oil. The Sudan oil was discovered by an American company and due to their exploitation tendecies Bashir gave the tender to a Chinese firm. As intellectuals, i ask guys to make thei own conclusions. Do we remember saddam we were told he has WMD - Weapons of Mass Destruction, but until he was nyogwaed by the Americans te WMD had not been discovered.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM, <alkagsus@yahoo.com> wrote:

The Sudan leader was in Kenya today - one of the dignitaries to witness the promulgation of the new constitution. Meanwhile, Mohamed el Bashir is still a wanted man by the ICC for genocide in Darfur.

As signatories to the ICC Laws and given that our constitution (old and new) has included ratified international laws as part of our governing law,

(a) should we have invited el Bashir at all?
(b) while here, were we not under obligation to arrest him and hand him over to the Hague and
(c) what then is our foreign policy with regard to Darfur?

Anyone?
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya

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Re: 666. is it true - M-kifo thing is old news just getting to Kenya

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/medical/a/death_calls.htm

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From: Evans MACHERA <evansmachera@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 666. is it true
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:43 PM

Your caller needs to explain further.My church-SDA has teachings about 666 as the mark of the beast-its prophetic. I suggest you attend a bible study session for arguments that rain across for understanding. Quite often,we receive calls from private ends-perhaps communication commissions can be contacted. Are those the miujiza for the 21 century? Evans MACHERA

On Tue Aug 31st, 2010 1:29 PM PDT Rose Kagwiria wrote:

>I have been called by several kenyans warning me not to take a phone call from number 666 or private caller. can somebody confirm. They claim some people have died in Meru and Machakos.
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Re: El Bashir.

Dere.. I like excuses, explanations like yours below reminds me of KANU days when if you pointed out facts or ills being committed, the first rejoinder from Kanu would a "conspiracy" theory. So, those who want Bashir arrested for mass murder want oil, to sell guns and the list goes on, maybe yes, maybe no. Your explanation about "their intentions" in reference to the ICC and the rest of us who want bashir held to account, can sound like good music to Bashir's "Kanu" in Sudan by the way.

It is a good reason why we should not bother to bring to book those who burnt women and children in their houses in Eldoret and Naivasha. It is good reason why we should forget the shooting of people in Mathare, Kibera and Kisumu. We should actually leave alone the people who were hacking others in Nakuru and Limuru, those who killed and burnt villages in Bomet, sotik and kericho.

Those who executed the villagers in Wagalla should be left free.

Why? because if and when you bring the perpetrators of clashes in kenya to book, their communities will go to war with each other. The people who want them arrested have intentions to benefit from communities fighting each other, there will be market for relief supplies, new NGOs will find work in the areas of fighting. Arrows and machetes will be selling like hot-cake and these companies and business making these will benefit, donor funding will come in to support the displaced from the fighting.

Meanwhile, the resources of the communities will be plundered.. like their land will be bought for a song, their jobs will go..

I think I love conspiracy theories. Criminals always use conspiracy theorists to excuse their crime. Saddam used it to justify his "gassing" of the kurds. Religious extremists use it all the time to blow up innocent people and say that it is because of the west, the east or the oil.

Dictators use it to detain without trial and execute their opponents.

Unless you want to deceive yourself, Sudan or any other Arab uniting with the rest of Africa to "..stage war against them (the west), is a pipe dream in the pits of slumber. Why?

Because, Sudan, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt and Morocco are only African when they need your support to battle the west. The rest of the days, they are Arab to the bone. You know what that means?

It means that they consider you, the rest of Africa, inferior to them. Don't you see what happens to black Africans in Saudi?

You say.. "Bashir is a mass murderer,but how clean are the punishers", Well, my answer is, someone must stand up for the weak. The government arrests and jails criminals, not because the government is clean, but because the criminal broke the law and was caught by the dirty government... and held responsible. At least the criminals neighbors and friends can live in peace under the dirty government.

That is why even the perpetrators of PEV must be held responsible so that we don't breed anarchy. Bashir needed the hague before signing the PCA in 2005. He needs it now more than ever before, as Jakasirme has ably said.

Carl;

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dere South <deresouth@gmail.com> wrote:

Guyz
Some of u may be right,Bashir has indeed killed many,and so should be punished.Personally,im not lookin at the crimes Bashir may have committed,im lookin at the interests of some of those calling for his punishment.Some people or regimes or corporations want the guy to be punished so that they have access to certain resources,for example Oil.Some people want Bashir to be arrested and punished so that war will spark in Sudan and while at war,they can sell weapons to the warring sides,have access to the region's riches and on top of that,when war is over,we can invite their companies to come and do the repairs,the rebuilding of a destroyed nation.They luv to see us fighting coz when we fight,we can never unite and stage war against them.Find out how some of these regimes have using and ab-using Africa,Asia,South America for their own selfish gains.Bashir is a mass murderer,but how clean are the punishers

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:24 AM, <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca> wrote:

The best way to deal with people that use covers instead of real names is to ignore them and not reply to their postings.

Courage
Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

From: Rose Kagwiria <ikirimakagwiria@yahoo.com>
Sender: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:43:42 -0700 (PDT)
To: <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: El Bashir.

kILLIONb

I totally agree with you. People need to show their full identity including the photo and tel. in addition to their personal email, if they know what they are saying are facts

--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Elijah Kombo <komboelijah@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Elijah Kombo <komboelijah@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: El Bashir.
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:02 AM

VERY GOOD....I also dont like people who HIDE their identity. Ignore them and they will become irrelevant.....

From: killion ooko nyamwanga <killionooko@yahoo.co.uk>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 2:19:57 PM
Subject: Re: El Bashir.

Hi

This man using UoN address, please I beg you to use your common sense when sending emails to this forum. We are not going to deal with UoN, as it is not aperson. But an institution. The other time we got an email from Coptic Hospital and it was discovered to be a kwack, so let me not have that second thought this is the same person.

Secondly, dont be vague when you are posting things that are weighty, you as aperson seems to have not gone beyond University of Nairobi, to come here and start lecturing us on what goes on in Darfur, please ask any Kenyan who has worked in Darfur to tell you the true story of what goes on there before you come up with this kiind of crap. It does not matter whether you are aluding that people will criticise you or not and you were right in your thinking because you knew pretty well that it was complete nonsense. Your arguement is purely library based.

Howere, have you ever heard of a government militia called Janja Weid who are operating under the guise of Khartoum Government, dont talk of theories you are reading in the news papers. You need to get facts right and you can be told the true picture. Try to know the history of Darfur and why Bashir is killiing those poeple. For any happening, there must be underlying factors tthat contribute to such actions being taken such people.There is something the Darfurians refused that can not be done. Dont bring issues of oil as if you were there but only reading papers. Sometimes, i feel very un easy with these kinds of brains, who want to justify attrocities being metted against fellow human beings with stereotype thinking.

Be carefull, I have witnessed it all and dont remind of it as I feel offended to hear such sentiments particulalry when i remember how people were butchered in Khoroma, Edjad Siid, Kass, Abukarinka, Assylaya, Adila and many other places in Darfur.

Take it back with you and re-evaluate what you want us to hear.

Jakasrime Kosoko

N'djamena

Chad

From: geogre dips <mcodipo@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 30 August, 2010 0:23:53
Subject: Re: El Bashir.

Hi.

Please STOP using the UoN address to air your personal views which are myopic and warped!! you can find yourself in serious problems.

George

From: UoN Nairobi <sojmap2007@gmail.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 11:58:46 AM
Subject: Re: El Bashir.

To begin with, Kikwete was not at the function, Bashir is not Mohamed but Omar. It is unfortunate that most Kenyans see thigs from a Western perspective to become the potential "western parrots". As intellectuals we have to analyse the Darfur case carefully and avoid falling into the quagmire. I certainly know that many of you will be furious but, let's get our facts right. The was between Bashir and the West is due to Oil. The Sudan oil was discovered by an American company and due to their exploitation tendecies Bashir gave the tender to a Chinese firm. As intellectuals, i ask guys to make thei own conclusions. Do we remember saddam we were told he has WMD - Weapons of Mass Destruction, but until he was nyogwaed by the Americans te WMD had not been discovered.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM, <alkagsus@yahoo.com> wrote:

The Sudan leader was in Kenya today - one of the dignitaries to witness the promulgation of the new constitution. Meanwhile, Mohamed el Bashir is still a wanted man by the ICC for genocide in Darfur.

As signatories to the ICC Laws and given that our constitution (old and new) has included ratified international laws as part of our governing law,

(a) should we have invited el Bashir at all?
(b) while here, were we not under obligation to arrest him and hand him over to the Hague and
(c) what then is our foreign policy with regard to Darfur?

Anyone?
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya

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Kenyan Football

Lee,

Buy the shirt and I will show you where you can print your own words. Allow me to use some swahili to describe Kogallo; unaona battery ikikwisha power, alafu uweke kwa jua? Inapata power lakini as soon as you put it in a walkman inafifia tena. Hiyo ndio moto ya Kogallo at the moment, but why lie I enjoy watching their games although I know they will never win anything - Just like Arsenal.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com> wrote:

Paul you are sick. Kogallo is the best team currently in the country. Its the team of teh future. Look at their team, you will realise that its the only team where youths are given opportunity to showcase their talent.

I would also like to get a Kogelo shirt, with my own words printed. Where can I get?

On 8/31/10, Paul Kimathi <paul.kimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
Uchumi Aga Khan walk, I think they are going for Kshs. 1,500 - Original. By the way k'ogallo stands no chance against Sofapaka when they meet, this match might as well be the title decider.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Malcolm Boy Oteh <malcolmboy@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone with an idea where the K'ogallo jersey's can be bought and at how much?

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Carl Mullwoh <carlmul@gmail.com> wrote:

Truth be told, what we are watching Gor play in their matches at the moment is nothing less than good football.
Any team facing Gor at the moment feels like they have a date with destiny, a destiny of loss.. if you doubt, ask Tusker, ulinzi, Mathare.. it is football worth watching.. blackberry and the "under 20" boys are showing that, we have our own "drogbas", "Ronaldos" and "messy's" and "Thierys" here in kenya.

The Villagers are now planning to re-join the stands in the stadiums to cheer the boys on. I want a Gor mahia T-shirt, original from Gor, where the funds go to Gor and not some criminal trying to take advantage of the villagers.

I will be in the city in the sun sometime next week, to celebrate the new constitution and to go watch one of Gor's matches.

Watch Kenyan football, build kenya.. Gor, Ingweee, Sofapaka, Mathare, Tuisker and.... Chelsea...

If we want the football to improve, we as "wananchi" must go to the stadium, pay the gate fees, cheer our boys on, show them we enjoy what they are doing and they will play to entertain.

Carl

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:08 PM, onyango chrispine <odumac2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

The most drunken Ingwe fan is Papa Likondi ! Its not always that every time Gor Mahia is mentioned AFC must follow up in the talks. Furthermore, Leopards must not even appear in this thread coz as always they are next to the relegation zone.

The team we are talking about is the mighty K'ogallo Taya ! The one that BlackBerry plays for. Leopards cannot have such a player in their ranks.

Now, over with Likondi. Who is denying that Blackberry did not score a spectacular extraordinarily made goal against Ulinzi? Ok, if no one is raising his arm , then let me confirm that it was Wednesday and that is what the thread is about.

Good , he also almost scored against Posta Rangers but that was over the weekend when instead Awilo scored the penalty after the defender brought BB down when goal bound.

Yes. He is in the national team since early last year and is maturing with the big boys.

Any other question?

Chrispine.

From: Papa Likondi <papalikondi@googlemail.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 2:15:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kenyan Football

I watched the match but I saw AFC Leopards players walk out during half time. So how was Gor scoring when AFC was out of the pitch. I think you were all sloshed.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Malcolm Boy Oteh <malcolmboy@gmail.com> wrote:

Hahahahahaha you seem to be the one who was drunk during that match between Gor mahia and Ulinzi on Wednesday Night. The first was scored by Ngwa and the second by Blackberry. Any Walalahoi who watched the game to confirm this and get paul out of his drunken stupor!

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Paul Kimathi <paul.kimathi@gmail.com> wrote:

Malcom,

clearly you did not witness this goal you just got distorted second hand information, coz K'Ogallo's goals were scored by Baldwin Ngwa and Julius 'Awilo" Owino. Please pay more attention to Local Football and your quetions will answer themselves.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Malcolm Boy Oteh <malcolmboy@gmail.com> wrote:

Walalahoi football fanatics, Yesterday George Blackberry Odhiambo scored a spectacular goal for K'Ogallo. Has he ever been called to the national team and if not I wonder why coz the kind of goals the kid scores hata Mariga sijawai muona akifunga kama hizo!

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'DEATH CALLS'-- This is a prank and should be treated as such.

Hi all,

Everybody today is on high alert not to receive calls from certain numbers, some say 'red calls' and so on and so forth, and I understand it was in the media as well.. What science are their arguments based on? Pliz dont create unnecessary panic.. visit the link below to see how they operate.. in my opinion, its all about mobile wars.. So lets all be certain that there is no cause for alarm..

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/medical/a/death_calls.htm