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THE TRUE RAGS TO RICHES STORY
Published on March 25, 2012
Some look at my success today and feel that I must have been lucky or
born into what I have. However, I still clearly remember growing up
as a child in the Ponce De Leon projects in Tampa, Florida, watching
my mother work multiple jobs to take care of me. Just like many
children of single parent households I was dropped off at daycare run
by the neighborhood baby sitter.
During those days the only qualifications for someone to have a
daycare were a roof, electricity and food. There were no special
educational, sanitary, or student to teacher ratio guidelines like
today. The lady who kept me had a high school level education and
earned less than $1500 a month. She was a good person, but given the
fact that I learned more about who died and came back to life on all
the popular soap operas, rather than how to count, read, or write, she
wasn't the most ideal person to be watching children at the beginning
of their learning years.
But my mother had to do what she had to do. Even though she knew I
wasn't in the best environment, she'd always uplift me by telling me.
As a result, instead of taking the sitter's words at the daycare and
growing up to be a big chicken in the coop, I decided to take my
mother's words and create a way to soar like an Eagle.
Environment is everything, so in school I created an environment for
me to be a provider. When I was 14 years old I cut hair to make money,
then got tired of doing all the work myself and discovered leverage by
buying candy in bulk and recruiting people to sell it for me. One of
the 12 people I recruited was Earlene Lilly, who is now Earlene Buggs,
my wife and best friend.
I went to College to get an Engineering degree, but ultimately I
realized the salary of an Engineer would not afford me the lifestyle
and financial freedom I desired. In 1996, at the age of 27, I started
my first of many businesses. My wife Earlene and I owned a furniture
company. Although we had money, a nice house and nice cars, we were
time poor. I was a slave to the business because no one could do what
I needed done better than me. The economy got bad overseas so the
cost of importing sky rocketed, and like many businesses today I had
to pass the cost on to the customers. There were larger furniture
companies with more resources so they could do things I could not
compete with and eventually we went out of business.
I knew I had to do something different so I heard about this thing
called Network Marketing from a friend. I got started and for 7 years
I never earned more than $500 for the whole month. My organization
never grew to more than 50 people and those 50 were not all in at the
same time. Many, including my wife, thought I was crazy for sticking
around like I did, but because I found a Champion who had all the
things I wanted, I listened to him instead. I would find all the
successful people in the company and while people were asking for
autographs and pictures I was standing to the side listening to what
they were saying, taking notes, and recording them with my tape
recorder. While people were at home sleeping I was up late at night
reviewing my notes and listening to what I had recorded over and over
again so that I could absorb all they knew and apply it for myself.
In 7 years of never earning more than $500 in a month, I never missed
a meeting I qualified to attend because I knew the value of the
information and knowledge at the events. I was mentored from afar by
a Billionaire who now earns a million dollars every 17 minutes in
Network Marketing. $250,000 in debt from our furniture business, 45
days away from foreclosure, with my Lexus repossessed, something had
to change. Then I got the call that changed my Network Marketing
career and laid the foundation for where I am today.
I joined my next company. Due to the right timing along with having
the right people on my list that even though I was afraid to call, I
did anyway, we earned millions of dollars and helped a few more
families do the same in a very short period of time. Many people
looked at us thinking we were lucky, when the truth was it was really
Labor Under Correct Knowledge and us paying the full price. Just like
the story of the Chinese Bamboo tree which grows underground for years
with no sign of growth above ground. Then suddenly it shoots up to
over 100 feet tall, in what seems like just a few days, when the truth
is it was preparing a foundation and because of the strong root system
already in place, exponential growth was possible.
I never join a company if I feel there will be an expiration date, so
when we did part ways with that company we made the decision to do so
based on what was best for our organization and their families. When
you are in the frame you sometimes cannot see the picture, but due to
my position in the company I saw the full picture and it was not
aligning with what we knew would be best for the long term. So after 5
years of building with that company we parted ways.
Transitioning a group of any size is not an easy task. Many become so
attached to the company they lose sight that it is a business
decision, thereby creating a false sense of security. So when we began
telling them it is time to go, here come the "we hate you", "beware",
"hide your money and run" online bloggers. Funny story - I was at an
event somewhere and one lady said she Googled me and she was really
excited about meeting me. My response was "Huh? You Googled me and
you STILL wanted to meet me???"
I invested time looking for another home, and the company we found
really looked like it was it. I loved the leadership that was in
place and the culture at the company, so we headed over and shot
straight to the top. Due to our success we got a lot of calls from
people wanting to recruit us to different companies or fly us in or
something, and since I believe in building relationships, I would at
least listen to them out of respect. One day I got a call from a
business associate of mine jumping with excitement, telling me he had
found the best product for Network Marketing.
At this point I had been in Networking Marketing for 18 years and sold
everything you can think of, so I could only begin to imagine what he
was talking about. I was thinking they found a way to market
"wireless electricity" or something! I asked him what it was and
after posturing and pausing so he can deliver what he thought was
incredible, he said "coffee". He might as well have said "coffins"
because I wasn't any more interested in coffee as I was coffins. I
didn't drink coffee so I told him I wasn't interested but I would wish
him the best. He wanted to send me some for free so I gave him my
address simply because if he came to visit I at least wanted to serve
him his coffee and not something else, out of respect.
I got the coffee and set it in my pantry never to think of it again
because I wasn't looking for an opportunity. I would go in the pantry
every day and get my zebra cake snacks, which sat right next to the
box of coffee he sent and kept on about my day. We continued building
with the company we were in having a good time, planning for a long
term run. Then the unexpected happened when the company we were with
faced some legal issues we had no control over. The press had a field
day and so did the online bloggers. As a result people panicked,
business dropped drastically and so did everyone's checks. As a
leader everyone was looking at me for the answer. My household was
financially secure but many on my team weren't, so I knew I had to
make a decision. I went to get another zebra cake and the first thing
I saw, for the first time in four months, was the box of coffee. I
was suddenly open for an opportunity, and there it was. Even though
it was there in my face for months I didn't see it, my eyes were
closed wide open. Immediately, I felt convicted because here I was
teaching everyone about being open to opportunity and I had been so
closed.
I opened the box of Latte', that was then called "4 in 1", pulled out
the green sachet, poured it into a cup, added hot water and took my
first sip. I wasn't a coffee drinker and didn't know what coffee
should taste like. So I gave some to my wife who is always honest and
no matter what will tell you what she really thinks about something,
and her feedback was, "this tastes better than Starbucks!" Starbucks
is a multi-billion dollar company so my business sensors went off
immediately.
I put in a request for more coffee so I could get more feedback. I
shared samples with my neighbors, and 7 out of the 10 I sampled wanted
to purchase or become distributors. The other three wanted to know if
they could invest in the company. My neighbors are pretty well to do
financially, so I expected them to recognize and support my
entrepreneurship endeavor. I needed some real feedback; and nobody
gives real feedback like negative broke people, so I called my family.
We joke about that every time I share it because no matter how
successful you are, 9 times out of 10 your family will always see you
as who you were when you were growing up and give you the hardest
time.
I sent my mom a box of the Latte and asked her to just taste it for me
and let me know how she felt. I never told her I was evaluating a
business, so she just thought I was sending her coffee. She called me
after I sent it to her and told me she needed more because she SOLD
two boxes. I was taken back because I just told her to sample it, not
sell it. She said she wasn't trying to but since I wanted feedback,
when she took the box in the coffee break room at her job and gave
free samples to her co-workers, they all came back talking about how
it made them feel good and they wanted more. At that moment I knew we
had found it.
The Reason I said YES! to OrGano Gold:
My mother has been in every Network Marketing company I have been in,
never ever earning a commission check with her name on it. She earns
less than $2500 per month at her job and so do her friends. We would
tell her to build a list of all her friends, she would call them and
as soon as she told them how much the product was, both of them would
tell her no - she never got further than two friends. Here she was
on her lunch break at her job after just giving free samples to people
she knew drank coffee already, and she'd earned $40. If my mother
could do it anybody could!
I immediately called a meeting with my leaders and we launched our
OrGano Gold businesses on September 28, 2008. There were already
about 7000 distributors in the company so I wasn't the very first to
get in. I started as a distributor with a Gold Pack just like
everyone else and worked the business for the first 90 days as if I
was $250,000 in debt, 45 days away from foreclosure and facing
repossession again. I hardly slept, ate, or saw my family - a
sacrifice well worth it because I knew those 90 days would set us up
for a lifetime.
After achieving great results because of the system we had created as
leaders, Mr. Chua asked me to take on the role of VP of Sales for the
company. It was a position I was happy to take because one of the
reasons why I chose OrGano Gold when I did was that the leadership on
a corporate level was not already fully in place so there was an
opportunity for me to earn a voice in the company to protect the
field. Based on past experiences, I felt if I could get a strong
voice at the corporate leadership level, I knew we would have a place
to call home and create the generational wealth that is available in
Network Marketing.
No matter my title, I am a distributor at heart. Every decision I
make is with the field in mind first. I am a business man who simply
uses Network Marketing as a platform to distribute goods and services.
Partnering with OrGano Gold has been the best business decision and
biggest success in my career. When you judge someone the best way to
do so is by their fruits. I'm excited to say we have a lot of fruit
that are completely financially free.
--
click to join ORGANO GOLD www.royalteam.organogold.com/r/US/join.html
Published on March 25, 2012
Some look at my success today and feel that I must have been lucky or
born into what I have. However, I still clearly remember growing up
as a child in the Ponce De Leon projects in Tampa, Florida, watching
my mother work multiple jobs to take care of me. Just like many
children of single parent households I was dropped off at daycare run
by the neighborhood baby sitter.
During those days the only qualifications for someone to have a
daycare were a roof, electricity and food. There were no special
educational, sanitary, or student to teacher ratio guidelines like
today. The lady who kept me had a high school level education and
earned less than $1500 a month. She was a good person, but given the
fact that I learned more about who died and came back to life on all
the popular soap operas, rather than how to count, read, or write, she
wasn't the most ideal person to be watching children at the beginning
of their learning years.
But my mother had to do what she had to do. Even though she knew I
wasn't in the best environment, she'd always uplift me by telling me.
As a result, instead of taking the sitter's words at the daycare and
growing up to be a big chicken in the coop, I decided to take my
mother's words and create a way to soar like an Eagle.
Environment is everything, so in school I created an environment for
me to be a provider. When I was 14 years old I cut hair to make money,
then got tired of doing all the work myself and discovered leverage by
buying candy in bulk and recruiting people to sell it for me. One of
the 12 people I recruited was Earlene Lilly, who is now Earlene Buggs,
my wife and best friend.
I went to College to get an Engineering degree, but ultimately I
realized the salary of an Engineer would not afford me the lifestyle
and financial freedom I desired. In 1996, at the age of 27, I started
my first of many businesses. My wife Earlene and I owned a furniture
company. Although we had money, a nice house and nice cars, we were
time poor. I was a slave to the business because no one could do what
I needed done better than me. The economy got bad overseas so the
cost of importing sky rocketed, and like many businesses today I had
to pass the cost on to the customers. There were larger furniture
companies with more resources so they could do things I could not
compete with and eventually we went out of business.
I knew I had to do something different so I heard about this thing
called Network Marketing from a friend. I got started and for 7 years
I never earned more than $500 for the whole month. My organization
never grew to more than 50 people and those 50 were not all in at the
same time. Many, including my wife, thought I was crazy for sticking
around like I did, but because I found a Champion who had all the
things I wanted, I listened to him instead. I would find all the
successful people in the company and while people were asking for
autographs and pictures I was standing to the side listening to what
they were saying, taking notes, and recording them with my tape
recorder. While people were at home sleeping I was up late at night
reviewing my notes and listening to what I had recorded over and over
again so that I could absorb all they knew and apply it for myself.
In 7 years of never earning more than $500 in a month, I never missed
a meeting I qualified to attend because I knew the value of the
information and knowledge at the events. I was mentored from afar by
a Billionaire who now earns a million dollars every 17 minutes in
Network Marketing. $250,000 in debt from our furniture business, 45
days away from foreclosure, with my Lexus repossessed, something had
to change. Then I got the call that changed my Network Marketing
career and laid the foundation for where I am today.
I joined my next company. Due to the right timing along with having
the right people on my list that even though I was afraid to call, I
did anyway, we earned millions of dollars and helped a few more
families do the same in a very short period of time. Many people
looked at us thinking we were lucky, when the truth was it was really
Labor Under Correct Knowledge and us paying the full price. Just like
the story of the Chinese Bamboo tree which grows underground for years
with no sign of growth above ground. Then suddenly it shoots up to
over 100 feet tall, in what seems like just a few days, when the truth
is it was preparing a foundation and because of the strong root system
already in place, exponential growth was possible.
I never join a company if I feel there will be an expiration date, so
when we did part ways with that company we made the decision to do so
based on what was best for our organization and their families. When
you are in the frame you sometimes cannot see the picture, but due to
my position in the company I saw the full picture and it was not
aligning with what we knew would be best for the long term. So after 5
years of building with that company we parted ways.
Transitioning a group of any size is not an easy task. Many become so
attached to the company they lose sight that it is a business
decision, thereby creating a false sense of security. So when we began
telling them it is time to go, here come the "we hate you", "beware",
"hide your money and run" online bloggers. Funny story - I was at an
event somewhere and one lady said she Googled me and she was really
excited about meeting me. My response was "Huh? You Googled me and
you STILL wanted to meet me???"
I invested time looking for another home, and the company we found
really looked like it was it. I loved the leadership that was in
place and the culture at the company, so we headed over and shot
straight to the top. Due to our success we got a lot of calls from
people wanting to recruit us to different companies or fly us in or
something, and since I believe in building relationships, I would at
least listen to them out of respect. One day I got a call from a
business associate of mine jumping with excitement, telling me he had
found the best product for Network Marketing.
At this point I had been in Networking Marketing for 18 years and sold
everything you can think of, so I could only begin to imagine what he
was talking about. I was thinking they found a way to market
"wireless electricity" or something! I asked him what it was and
after posturing and pausing so he can deliver what he thought was
incredible, he said "coffee". He might as well have said "coffins"
because I wasn't any more interested in coffee as I was coffins. I
didn't drink coffee so I told him I wasn't interested but I would wish
him the best. He wanted to send me some for free so I gave him my
address simply because if he came to visit I at least wanted to serve
him his coffee and not something else, out of respect.
I got the coffee and set it in my pantry never to think of it again
because I wasn't looking for an opportunity. I would go in the pantry
every day and get my zebra cake snacks, which sat right next to the
box of coffee he sent and kept on about my day. We continued building
with the company we were in having a good time, planning for a long
term run. Then the unexpected happened when the company we were with
faced some legal issues we had no control over. The press had a field
day and so did the online bloggers. As a result people panicked,
business dropped drastically and so did everyone's checks. As a
leader everyone was looking at me for the answer. My household was
financially secure but many on my team weren't, so I knew I had to
make a decision. I went to get another zebra cake and the first thing
I saw, for the first time in four months, was the box of coffee. I
was suddenly open for an opportunity, and there it was. Even though
it was there in my face for months I didn't see it, my eyes were
closed wide open. Immediately, I felt convicted because here I was
teaching everyone about being open to opportunity and I had been so
closed.
I opened the box of Latte', that was then called "4 in 1", pulled out
the green sachet, poured it into a cup, added hot water and took my
first sip. I wasn't a coffee drinker and didn't know what coffee
should taste like. So I gave some to my wife who is always honest and
no matter what will tell you what she really thinks about something,
and her feedback was, "this tastes better than Starbucks!" Starbucks
is a multi-billion dollar company so my business sensors went off
immediately.
I put in a request for more coffee so I could get more feedback. I
shared samples with my neighbors, and 7 out of the 10 I sampled wanted
to purchase or become distributors. The other three wanted to know if
they could invest in the company. My neighbors are pretty well to do
financially, so I expected them to recognize and support my
entrepreneurship endeavor. I needed some real feedback; and nobody
gives real feedback like negative broke people, so I called my family.
We joke about that every time I share it because no matter how
successful you are, 9 times out of 10 your family will always see you
as who you were when you were growing up and give you the hardest
time.
I sent my mom a box of the Latte and asked her to just taste it for me
and let me know how she felt. I never told her I was evaluating a
business, so she just thought I was sending her coffee. She called me
after I sent it to her and told me she needed more because she SOLD
two boxes. I was taken back because I just told her to sample it, not
sell it. She said she wasn't trying to but since I wanted feedback,
when she took the box in the coffee break room at her job and gave
free samples to her co-workers, they all came back talking about how
it made them feel good and they wanted more. At that moment I knew we
had found it.
The Reason I said YES! to OrGano Gold:
My mother has been in every Network Marketing company I have been in,
never ever earning a commission check with her name on it. She earns
less than $2500 per month at her job and so do her friends. We would
tell her to build a list of all her friends, she would call them and
as soon as she told them how much the product was, both of them would
tell her no - she never got further than two friends. Here she was
on her lunch break at her job after just giving free samples to people
she knew drank coffee already, and she'd earned $40. If my mother
could do it anybody could!
I immediately called a meeting with my leaders and we launched our
OrGano Gold businesses on September 28, 2008. There were already
about 7000 distributors in the company so I wasn't the very first to
get in. I started as a distributor with a Gold Pack just like
everyone else and worked the business for the first 90 days as if I
was $250,000 in debt, 45 days away from foreclosure and facing
repossession again. I hardly slept, ate, or saw my family - a
sacrifice well worth it because I knew those 90 days would set us up
for a lifetime.
After achieving great results because of the system we had created as
leaders, Mr. Chua asked me to take on the role of VP of Sales for the
company. It was a position I was happy to take because one of the
reasons why I chose OrGano Gold when I did was that the leadership on
a corporate level was not already fully in place so there was an
opportunity for me to earn a voice in the company to protect the
field. Based on past experiences, I felt if I could get a strong
voice at the corporate leadership level, I knew we would have a place
to call home and create the generational wealth that is available in
Network Marketing.
No matter my title, I am a distributor at heart. Every decision I
make is with the field in mind first. I am a business man who simply
uses Network Marketing as a platform to distribute goods and services.
Partnering with OrGano Gold has been the best business decision and
biggest success in my career. When you judge someone the best way to
do so is by their fruits. I'm excited to say we have a lot of fruit
that are completely financially free.
--
click to join ORGANO GOLD www.royalteam.organogold.com/r/US/join.html
Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Hall of Fame
Top Earners Hall Of Fame August 2012
by Ted Nuyten on August 7, 2012
Hall of Fame Top Earners Hall Of Fame
Estimated $ Earnings per Year (Based on actuals)
Angela Liew and Rayne Ho
1. Angela Liew & Rayne Ho – Nu Skin Singapore $13,000,000
Dexter Birdie Yager Top Earners Hall Of Fame
2. Dexter Yager – Amway USA $12,000,000
Holton Buggs Top Earners Hall Of Fame
3. Holton Buggs – Organo Gold USA $10,800,000+
Barry Chi Holly Chen Top Earners Hall Of Fame
4. Barry Chi & Holly Chen – Amway Taiwan $7,800,000
Bill Britt Top Earners Hall Of Fame
5. Bill Britt – Amway USA $6,000,000
Shane Morand Top Earners Hall Of Fame
6. Shane Morand – Organo Gold Canada $6,000,000
George Zalucki Top Earners Hall Of Fame
7. George Zalucki & Art N.- ACN USA $5,700,000
John Blanca Sachtouras Top Earners Hall Of Fame
8. John Sachtouras – Organo Gold USA $5,580,000
Jose Ardon Top Earners Hall Of Fame
9. Jose Ardon – Organo Gold USA $5,520,000
Brian McClure Top Earners Hall Of Fame
10. Brian McClure – Ambit Energy USA $5,424,000
Foo Howe Kean Top Earners Hall Of Fame
11. Foo Howe Kean – Amway Malaysia $5,400,000
Abraham Benitez and Raquel Cortes Top Earners Hall Of Fame
12. Raquel Cortes – Herbalife Mexico $5,400,000
Sunny Su Debra Hsu Top Earners Hall Of Fame
13. Sunny Su – Amway Taiwan $4,800,000
Enrique Varela Top Earners Hall Of Fame
14. Enrique Varela – Herbalife Mexico $5,100,000
Steve Thompson Top Earners Hall Of Fame
15. Steve Thompson – Ambit Energy USA $4,440,000
Carol Ken Porter Top Earners Hall Of Fame
16. Carol & Ken Porter – Monavie USA $4,200,000
Jim Nancy Dornan Top Earners Hall Of Fame
17. Jim & Nancy Dornan – Amway USA $4,200,000
Max Schwarz and Mana May Top Earners Hall Of Fame
18. Max Schwarz – Amway Germany $4,200,000
Tae Ho Kim Top Earners Hall Of Fame
19. Tae Ho Kim – Herbalife Korea $4,200,000
Philip Eckart Top Earners Hall Of Fame
20. Philip Eckart – Ambit Energy USA $3,888,000
Kaoru Nakajima Top Earners Hall Of Fame
21. Kaoru Nakajima – Amway Japan $3,600,000
Peter Eva Muller Meerkatz Top Earners Hall Of Fame
22. Peter & Eva Müller-Meerkatz – Amway $ 3,540,000
Rolf Kipp Top Earners Hall Of Fame
23. Rolf Kipp – Forever Living Germany $3,420,000
Rafael Rojas(1) Top Earners Hall Of Fame
24. Rafael Rojas – Melaleuca – USA $3,360,000
Leonard Waisbein Top Earners Hall Of Fame
25. Leonard & Irina Weisbein - Herbalife Israel $3,300,000
Marco Milagro Dubon Top Earners Hall Of Fame
26. Marco & Milagro Dubon – FLP Guatemala $3,300,000
Minh Julie Ho Top Earners Hall Of Fame
27. Minh & Julie Ho – TalkFusion USA $3,300,000
Seung Ja Park Top Earners Hall Of Fame
28. Seung Yo Park – Herbalife Korea $3,180,000
Nick and Ashley Sarnicola Top Earner Hall Of Fame
29. Nick & Ashley Sarnicola – ViSalus USA $3,120,000
Dong Keun Chung Top Earners Hall Of Fame
30. Dong Keun Chung – Herbalife Korea $3,060,000
David Imonite Top Earners Hall Of Fame
31. David Imonite – Organo Gold USA $3,000,000
John Peterson Top Earners Hall Of Fame
32. John Peterson – Herbalife USA $3,000,000
Kang Hyeon Sook Amway Top Earners Hall Of Fame
33. Kang Hyeon Sook – Amway Korea $3,000,000
Leonard Esther Kim Top Earners Hall Of Fame
34. Leonard & Esther Kim Amway Korea $3,000,000
Mark Peggy Lei Top Earners Hall Of Fame
35. Mark & Peggy Lei – Amway Taiwan $3,000,000
John and Lori Tartol Top Earners Hall Of Fame
36. John and Lori Tartol – Herbalife USA $2,880,000
Robert Hollis Top Earners Hall Of Fame
37. Robert Hollis– Gano Excel USA $2,880,000
Susan Peterson Top Earners Hall Of Fame
38. Susan Peterson – Herbalife USA $2,880,000
Jeff Roberti Top Earners Hall Of Fame
39. Jeff Roberti – Juice Plus+ USA $2,760,000
Elvira Ruiz Top Earners Hall Of Fame
40. Elvira & Roberto Ruiz – FLP USA $2,760,000
Simon Abboud Top Earners Hall Of Fame
41. Simon Abboud – ACN USA $2,700,000
Alan & Carol Lorrenz Top Earners Hall Of Fame
42. Carol & Alan Lorrenz – Herbalife USA $2,640,000
Brig Lita Hart Top Earners Hall Of Fame
43. Brig & Lita Hart – Monavie USA $2,640,000
Gina Steve Merritt Top Earners Hall Of Fame
44. Gina & Steve Merritt – Monavie USA $2,520,000
Nathan Ricks Top Earners Hall Of Fame
45. Nathan Ricks – Nu Skin USA $2,520,000
Brain Andrea Sax Top Earners Hall Of Fame
46. Brian & Andrea Sax – ACN USA $2,400,000
Christian Steinkeller Top Earners Hall Of Fame
47. Christian Steinkeller – Organo Gold Italy $2,400,000
Ed Bestoso Top Earners Hall Of Fame
48. Ed Bestoso – Melaleuca USA $2,400,00
Jason O Toole Top Earners Hall Of Fame
49. Jason O'Toole – Visalus Canada $2,400,000
Mark Comer Top Earners Hall Of Fame
50. Mark Comer – Synergy USA $2,400,000
Onyx Coale Top Earners Hall Of Fame
51. Onyx Coale – Monavie USA $2,376,000
Debbie Geoff Davis Top Earners Hall Of Fame
52. Debbie & Geoff Davis – ACN USA $2,340,000
Patrick Maser Top Earners Hall Of Fame
53. Patrick & Mike Maser – ACN USA $2,340,000
Tom Bethany Alkazin Top Earners Hall Of Fame
54. Tom & Bethany Alkazin – Vemma USA $2,340,000
Kyle Pacetti Top Earners Hall Of Fame
55. Kyle Pacetti – Visalus Canada $2,280,000
Ray Montie Top Earners Hall Of Fame
56. Ray Montie – Ambit Energy USA $2,256,000
Danny Bae Top Earners Hall Of Fame
57. Danny Bae – ACN USA $2,400,000
Todd and Angelique Hartog Top Earners Hall Of Fame
58. Todd & Angelique Hartog Monavie USA $2,148,000
Jordan Adler Top Earners Hall Of Fame
59. Jordan Adler – Send Out Cards USA $2,112,000
Kim Chavich Top Earners Hall Of Fame
60. Kim Chavich – Unicity Thailand $2,100,000
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Monday, October 25, 2010
Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeedforpublic office and county loyalty!!!
Paul Nyadoto gets it wrong atleast for the third time in a row. British did not build Kenyan more than Kenyans. They were colonialist! Paul Nyadoto doesnt understand that the Kenyans were given to man eaters inTsavo, tied and beaten. How can he say that British built Kenya more than Kenyans? Its like saying Dr Living stone doscovered Mt Kenya when we had Kenyan living in the region.
I agree that the DIASPORA must be given a chance in nation building and they are doing so. They bring to Kenya million of funds for nation building. But we cannot risk the country again and again - and for the time now we havent reached at a level to trust the institution that issue citizenship. Until we reach the level; of Canada etc, we must appreciate that we are at a point Kenya is changing.
I think there are some roles that dual citizen can hold. They have helped KENYA ths far and cannot be treated as second class citizens. Kenya does not have the capacity of checking out on these dualism. I think it makes sense to have one denounce the secondary citizenship to gun for Presidency and other public political offices.
Probably we should fear sonce global war against terrorism and money laundering is being enhanced and therefore countries will have security linkages to prosecute anyone who will break laws of different countries and runs to another for protection
Regards
Kombo Elijah
From: "mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca" <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca>
To: Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; ogallo1@msn.com
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 5:33:57 AM
Subject: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeedforpublic office and county loyalty!!!
Dr. Nyandoto,
I agree with you fully but I am afraud I am suspecting a slight hand of subliminal jealousy at play on this misguided policy.
Canada has no problem with this. We have cabinet ministers, PS-level officers, etc that hold dual or even multiple citizenships. This has never been a problem. Why it would be a problem in kenya is beyond me.
May be Kenya is just desinef to remain the way it is for another few generations.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice,
Owadg'Atieno ma yuor Atieno
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From: "Paul Nyandoto" <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 05:05:00 +0300
To: <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>; <ogallo1@msn.com>; <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed forpublic office and county loyalty!!!
DO NOT GIVE UP. THE CONSTITUTION HAS A LOT OF JOINTS TO BE TREATED. WE NEED ALL KENYANS TO PARTICIPATE IN BUILDING KENYA: The British built Kenya more than the real Kenyans who have been in power since 1963. Even the present railway was built by the British. If we leave Kenya to only the so called real Kenyans it will sink and fail. In constitution making there were cowards who fear competition period!!. All Diaspora with dual citizenship should just join hands and fight back, We should demand also a post in that parliament. A lot of money are being poured to Kenya by Diaspora that their voices must be heard in decision makings. Ghana is doing a lot much better than Kenya with their diaspora. It is an industry that only fools do not see.
Paul Nyandoto
>>> 10/24/10 3:34 PM >>>
Paul,
If the opinion that those of us who have dual citizenships can not hold State Offices, then we should withdraw from all Kenyan based organizations, movements and political parties.
There is no point to be part of something that treats us as second-class citizens. We should not even bother soliciting development funds from donors. Let the real Kenyans solve their own problems.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 06:44:43 +0300
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Subject: RE: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
Any element( I mean human being not Mendeliev`s table of elements) chosen to hold any public office like presidency will have to hold a bible before he is sworn in office. By that he promises to rule by constitution of that state and follow the law. So whether he has 10 citizenships or let say only 2 citizenships so long as he is a president of a country he will rule by the law of that country and serve the interest of that country if not then what are the functions of courts and jails in any country?. A kenyan born holding a Kenyan passport should not be discriminated by the Kenyan law. How will somebody be free to develope his country or even invest into a system discriminating him or her?. Slaves used to do so for along time until they revolted and now we see their descedants free and are now sleeping in the white house( which was built by slaves without salary, what a justice?).
I do stand by my fellow Kenyans who are in the diaspora holding other passports that it is their birth right to hold any office in their mother land including the presidency. The new constitution was passed because people have waited millions of years for it and we have no extra time to lose again. But the constitution have to be remodled and mented to include everybody. The reasoning of finding it hard to know which country to serve best when holding a public office does not hold water not even truth. There are laws to be served and that is what should be followed. We have seen Grand regency hotel sold to arabs by the so called real Kenyans even if they do not hold Libyian passports. Kenyan land have sold to foreigners by the so called real Kenyans with only Kenyan passports. They have done it even in Japan so guys lets take care. whoever wants to be the president or hold other public office have to serve Kenya with the best interest. By the way who have sold all the good coastal lands of kenya to foreigners do they hold foreign passports I doubt it. Real Kenyans ( as they call themselves) will even sell all oil land to foreigners if Kenya happens to discover any oil. It happened in Nigeria, angola, gabon etc. So what will prevent it not to happen in kenya?.
Paul Nyandoto
>>> HELLON OGALLO 10/22/10 7:53 PM >>>
While you are right as far as the central government is concerned, the same restrictions should not be applicable to the county government. In the United States for example the States, the Counties and the various City governments allow employment of green card holders who are essentially non citizens.
Hellon
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:41:34 -0700
From: sunoti@yahoo.com
Subject: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
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Njoroge,
Good question you ask here, why would we want foreignors to hold public office? Or, why would we want people who may ran away after commiting economic crimes because they have other nationalities?
If you want to hold public position, be loyal, first denounce your dual citizenship and come back and contest, that way, you owe unquestionable loyalty to Kenyan and the Kenyan people.
We do not want to play polygamy with political office. Othewise, remain a private citizen and enjoy even tripple citizenship is that helps your business and investments. Imagine if one is to negotiate a deal for us with a foreign government where they also hold citizenship? Isn't this a case of conflict of interest? Which side will he get the best deal for? Who will they be loyal to?
Otieno sungu
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Re: [NewVisionKenya] RE: [africa-oped] Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very goodindeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
Kombo,
Since you guys are bent on supporting a bad law, I want to wish you guys good luck as you struggle to transform your country. Don't forget apartheid was law too at some time but it was a bad law.
People like Sungu and Shem are working for the South Sudan govt even though they are not even Sudanese.
Anyway, good luck with your endeavours.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice
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Subject: Re: [NewVisionKenya] RE: [africa-oped] Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very goodindeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
The constitution is so clear and i support the stand that a PUBLIC OFFICER must not hold dual citizenship. One must denounce his second citenship to be a public servant. We cannot exhaust the benefits of this clause. Public intereste overides personal and selfish interest. As much as Kenyans in the diaspora have been given some priviledges, we cannot expose our country to an extent that we blind ourself from the risks of dual citizenship. A number of Somalis have got Kenyan citizenship, and still transoit to other countries to attain the same through alienship and finally as a total citizen. In such a case they hold three citizenship. The result is the same as those sOMALI-Americans who are fuelling and funding the Al Shabaab and other militia groups in Somalia. They can reside in three countries bila hussles, and commit all sort of crimes then move to another.
Limitations to dual citizenship is necessary for anyone wanting to serve in a public office in Kenya. Lets respect the law as it was passed and we move forward to more progressive issues.
Regards
Kombo Elijah
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Dear Barrack and all,
I think we are missing the mark big time. Let us consider a few things. The law allows for dual citizenship, you can be one, but the law tries to protect Kenyan interest by making certain restrictions.
Let me pose the following questions, can we have a President who swears allegiance to 2, 3 or 5 diifferent countries? Why would this be tragic? Suppose Kenyans security is threatened to the extent the President needs to declare war, he happens to hold dual citizenship of the aggressing country, what happens?
We have seen people fighting extradition when they have committed crimes at home, Deya has been fighting the same in the USA for stealing and selling Kenyan children in the USA. The govt of Kenya has requested his extradition, suppose he had Amertican citizenship and denounced his Kenyan one, do you think he will ever face charges for stealing innocent children back in Kenya? Your bet is as good as mine, America will say he is American and cannot be extradited.
Perharps what we should be debating is what extent should the restricctions apply. There is no way the President, Prime Minister, Vice President and other public officers who take oaths swear allegiance to 2 or 3 different countries to safeguard constitutions of such countries, a conflict will arise.
Let us not narrow this debate to one or two people and become personal with and and not rational and look at the wider picture. Let us look at the interest of Kenya first if we are genuine and not individual interests,the law is made for the good of society, the common good and not individual good.
Otieno Sungu.
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Bwana Oduor
Here you go
I gues we did not read section 78(2) carefully (See below). Many other sections are still go to bite. Please jregister as a member of Kenya global unity (www. kenyaglobalunity.com)
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Citizenship and leadership
78. (1) A person is not eligible for election or appointment to a State office unless
the person is a citizen of Kenya.
(2) A State officer or a member of the defence forces shall not hold dual
citizenship.
(3) Clauses (1) and (2) do not apply to—
(a) judges and members of commissions; or
(b) any person who has been made a citizen of another country by
operation of that country's law, without ability to opt out.
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 03:38:59 +0000
Subject: Re: [africa-oped] Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very goodindeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
Dr Abonyo,
It's not the constitution itself, it's the interpretation at the Regulation stage that is proving to be contentious.
The constitution simply states that occupants of State Offices must be citizens of Kenya, and nothing else. The exclusion of dual citizens from the civil service is a creation of some minds at the Regulation stage. We just have to advocate against it.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice,
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It's not the constitution itself, it's the interpretation at the Regulation stage that is proving to be contentious.
The constitution simply states that occupants of State Offices must be citizens of Kenya, and nothing else. The exclusion of dual citizens from the civil service is a creation of some minds at the Regulation stage. We just have to advocate against it.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice,
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Well well, the constitution miss ups is starting to show its ugly side. The fact of the matter is that we did not read the document thoroughly. Now it will start to bite and an elaborate process will be required to change anything.
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Subject: [africa-oped] Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
Jagem,
The constitution says that holders of State Offices must be Kenyan citizens. The same constitution also allows for dual citizenship.
I worked very hard to get my Canadian citizenship and I am not willing to give it up.
Jagem, if it's true the dual citizens are not allowed to occupy State Offices, then we should stop sending any money home; we should also withdraw our memberships from any Kenyan-based organization. There is no point for me to belong to a movement in Kenya if Kenya does not simply accept me as a citizen.
Thank God the truth of how things are is now coming out. I am resigning from all Kenyan-based organizations as of now and this mail should serve as a notice. Why bother? I will concentrate my efforts on private business as someone suggested here a few days ago.
No more Maurice J Oduor in politically related activities. I just want to apologize to all my colleagues in various movements. I am out and I wish them luck in transforming Kenya.
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The constitution says that holders of State Offices must be Kenyan citizens. The same constitution also allows for dual citizenship.
I worked very hard to get my Canadian citizenship and I am not willing to give it up.
Jagem, if it's true the dual citizens are not allowed to occupy State Offices, then we should stop sending any money home; we should also withdraw our memberships from any Kenyan-based organization. There is no point for me to belong to a movement in Kenya if Kenya does not simply accept me as a citizen.
Thank God the truth of how things are is now coming out. I am resigning from all Kenyan-based organizations as of now and this mail should serve as a notice. Why bother? I will concentrate my efforts on private business as someone suggested here a few days ago.
No more Maurice J Oduor in politically related activities. I just want to apologize to all my colleagues in various movements. I am out and I wish them luck in transforming Kenya.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice
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Subject: Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
Otieno Sungu
Stop bringing public Office tribalism here. What does the constitution say? Does it demand that someone holding Dual Citizenship cannot hold public office? If not then why are you already "Bagua-ring" them. You must already know, by now, that the "Ndiasipora" (Diaspora) people hold a abig of clout, as their Constituency is the single biggest Forein revenue earner to the Kenyan Government. Usiwabague mapema hivyo!! Ama???
Jagem
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Njoroge,
Good question you ask here, why would we want foreignors to hold public office? Or, why would we want people who may ran away after commiting economic crimes because they have other nationalities?
If you want to hold public position, be loyal, first denounce your dual citizenship and come back and contest, that way, you owe unquestionable loyalty to Kenyan and the Kenyan people.
We do not want to play polygamy with political office. Othewise, remain a private citizen and enjoy even tripple citizenship is that helps your business and investments. Imagine if one is to negotiate a deal for us with a foreign government where they also hold citizenship? Isn't this a case of conflict of interest? Which side will he get the best deal for? Who will they be loyal to?
Otieno sungu
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Jambo all,
I do not see a problem with this provision. Holding a public position is such a sacred privilege and needs to be by persons of impeccable loyalty! Moreover, this provision was as is the entire period we conducted extensive constitutional debate on this fora; therefore I do not understand why people are sulking over it now. Why would anyone want to serve to publics?
The principle behind Dual Citizenship is to allow Kenya nationals resident in other countries to access opportunities that they would otherwise not access in those countries by virtue of them being non-citizens and still retain their Kenyan citizenship with all benefits and rights safe for right to be elected or appointed into public service.
Unless there is something I am not seeing in the bigger picture, I see nothing wrong.
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This may mean that my Canadian citizenship has to go, something I worked so hard to acquire. Life sure sucks.
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I do not see a problem with this provision. Holding a public position is such a sacred privilege and needs to be by persons of impeccable loyalty! Moreover, this provision was as is the entire period we conducted extensive constitutional debate on this fora; therefore I do not understand why people are sulking over it now. Why would anyone want to serve to publics?
The principle behind Dual Citizenship is to allow Kenya nationals resident in other countries to access opportunities that they would otherwise not access in those countries by virtue of them being non-citizens and still retain their Kenyan citizenship with all benefits and rights safe for right to be elected or appointed into public service.
Unless there is something I am not seeing in the bigger picture, I see nothing wrong.
Njoroge Waithera.
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Subject: Restrictions on dual citizenship
From the Constitution:
Citizenship and leadership
78. (1) A person is not eligible for election or appointment to a State office
unless the person is a citizen of Kenya.
(2) A State officer or a member of the defence forces shall not hold dual
citizenship.
(3) Clauses (1) and (2) do not apply to—
(a) judges and members of commissions; or
(b) any person who has been made a citizen of another country by
operation of that country's law, without ability to opt out.
Further to 3, consolation is that Councillors are not state officers so dual citizens can gun for these elective posts if Parliament legislates to have them.
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Re: The Rule of Law under the New Constitution.
Buiyo,
The only thing that can help Ruto is getting his name cleared from the mess. The sooner he does this the better.
Instead of assembling people the Kimunya way, he need to start assembling good lawyers to represent him. Not the political lawayers though. He will come out a hero if he is cleared of any wrong doing.
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The only thing that can help Ruto is getting his name cleared from the mess. The sooner he does this the better.
Instead of assembling people the Kimunya way, he need to start assembling good lawyers to represent him. Not the political lawayers though. He will come out a hero if he is cleared of any wrong doing.
Thanks
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Adagi, Nelson /BDF NBO <Nelson.Adagi@beiersdorf.com> wrote:
I can see Hon Ruto chest thumping in Jail
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It baffles me recalling the recent events that got Ruto out. First Hon Karua challenges Rt. Hon Raila why no action had been taken against Hon. Ruto in light of the new constitution. As expected, Rt. Hon Raila reminds all that the courts were yet to make their judgement and and hence no action could be taken untill such a time. Then in just about 12 days, the Gicheru led courts became sooooo "efficient" (as eficuent as they were at the 2007 swearing in) and quickly found a solution to a case that had eluded them since 2004, and could now find Hon Ruto guilt! Wow! What was the new evidence or inspiration for that matter that now made judgement possible in just 12 days? Could it be a case of deliberatly going out to make a bad situation worse not for the purposes of fulfilling on the new constitution, but rather to shake certain equilibriums ahead if 2012? The person who needs to be wise here is Ruto. He should do away with chest thumbing and think hard, realy hard. He is a pawn in a dihonest political game.
My two pence too.
Dommie
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On 23 Oct 2010, at 08:37 AM, lonyango@gerties.org wrote:Oh maina stop adding fire wood to the burning fire be a man of peace and respect ur elders sp that ur days can be added
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Subject: Re: The Rule of Law under the New Constitution.
dera Maina,
am happy and wholeheartedly for your feelings. Now allow me too to experess my feeelings.
Yes well said and done, if i may ask who is the complainant in the Ruto's case of having been sold a forest land? Kenya or KPC or the Environment Ministry.
2/ isn't it always equally corrupt for one to buy and (in this case going to the extent of paying as much as upto 272 Millions shillings)
and as such the complainant shoul;d also face the LAW?3/ We are all aware of the "sheep being fattened" and if may explain the riddle...the fattener must be Baba Jimmy and Liutenants.....and the sheep is awaiting slaughter. To my opinion Ruto is being used as a sacrificial lamb whilst fattening the Sheep so that the populists see it as a fight against Ruto n tribesmen.
4/ i presume once the sheep is ready for slaughter (somehwre neer 2011 Dec to 2012 before May) Samoei will join the fattener an d liutenants and all in unison celebrate and share the sweet bacon.
Watch this space.
Buiywo
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM, maina joseph <kam2202003@yahoo.com> wrote:
Allex+Guys,
Do you notice how convenient Allex avoids mentioning Raila Odinga by his name in his email and mentions him softly as co-principal only once and no more than that!!. Whom are you avoiding to hurt my friend. And mentions the name Kibaki 4times!!. He continues to rubbish Kibaki over Ruto suspension severally. Who does not know Raila-Ruto political wars. Was it not Raila who had earlier allegedly sacked W.Ruto? Remember the censure motion in Parliament? What about heated ODM PG and NEC meetings coz of Ruto factor.
Pre-2011 politics have started and will get stronger by 2012 general elections. Watch out for the big loser. The sheep is being fattened!
I know where your heart lies in this matter and that's why you just say "co-principal" Hold your horses. Its difficult to adopt your political protectionism upto 2012 elections. Its very tiresome. You will definitely break coz D-day is coming and coming very first. Right or wrong, Ruto factor (and plse note that Ruto is part of Ruto factor) will hit back very very hard.
Be fairly balanced my friend. Dont force Kibaki and by extension his lieutenants, to wholly carry the cross. Kenyans are intelligent. By the way Raila was very happy on Mashujaa Day!! Did you notice? That's how he wanted things go. His cronies are cool.
Any hard feelings Allex?
Maina
--- On Thu, 10/21/10, jt okinda <archjt2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: jt okinda <archjt2004@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Rule of Law under the New Constitution.To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 12:21 AM
Alex,
Let all of us be sincere if we have to move this country forward positively. There was a case going on at the appeal level. It was only logical that the decision of the court be awaited before any action against Ruto is taken. The court decided a week ago that Ruto has a case to answer at the magistrates court which was trying the fraud case. It is now upon Ruto and co-accused to convince the magistrate`s court that they did not commit a crime!
The current constitution is very clear on action to be taken against a public officer with such cases in court. All the President has done is to respect the constitution.Why blame him?
OKINDA JT
From: Alex Tallam <alextallam@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 11:05:59 AM
Subject: Re: The Rule of Law under the New Constitution.The suspension of Hon William Ruto from the cabinet is more of a populist act than a committment to fight corruption by Kibaki!! Ruto may have participated in the corrupt land deal and so he should face the courts, but then if we look at Kibaki's past in the fight against corruption, then it comes out clearly as to why he took the action at this late hour in the day. Ruto's case has been dragging on for the last 9 years and he was even appointed a minister while the case was still going on, so if Kibaki and his co principal was serious about fighting craft, then he should not have been appointed in the first place!!!
This administration is replete with unresolved corruption cases where the public has lost billions of shillings and yet it is a well known fact that some of Kibaki's foot soldiers are deeply involved in corruption but he did nothing, yes he suspended some of them, but they were back in goverment after getting cleared by commissions which were set up by Kibaki himself and whose findings has never been made public!!!
Here is a guy who is desperate to hold on to anything which can help him leave a legacy, and some populist actions like suspending Ruto, can help him achieve that!! it is a well known fact that Hon Ruto is one of the most hated (rightly or wrongly)politicians we have today and hitting him below the belt can generate alot of excitement both ways (negative/positive). I don't believe Kibaki is acting in good faith, in any case, the old constitution gave him immence powers to do literaly anything he wanted done including firing corrupt individuals from his government, but he has never done that for his entire close to 10 years now!!
Otherwise if Ruto is found to have participated in the corrupt land deal, then he should squarely face justice, but the he should not be alone, the whole lot who participated in the transaction should be put in their defence otherwise it will be taken by some people to a selective application of the law.
From: Jagem K'Onyiego <jairuschurch@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 2:22:03 AM
Subject: The Rule of Law under the New Constitution.Ladies and Gentlemen(s)
Since Hon Ruto was told by the Judges that he has a case to answer in Court Concerning a parcel of land that he and others participated in selling to a certain firm, where the sellers ended up raking Millions of Shillings, money that lawfully should not have gone to their pockets, many people have come into the Forum with Very interesting postings.
A number of them have come with Daggers drawn in defense of Ruto, while others have posted their thoughts, which clearly show that they are ululating, about Ruto, a Minister, being brought to answer charges in a Court of Law. While this has gone on, I see those for and against Ruto, at times to tend to be very emotional and passionate. This maybe so, but we must remember that, a few things have changed since the introduction of the new Constitution.
The New Constitution promised to protect the individual rights of the Citizens. A section in that Constitution also promises the Citizens that it will fight and protect them from Corrupt individuals. The Constitution also states clearly, that, a person mentioned in a Corruption case, which is before a Court of law, if that person is holding a Government office, he/she must resign.
The above is what the constitution provides. Now, Ruto's case goes against all these clauses and therefore what is befalling him is as the Law demands.
If all Walalahoi and YPs respected the law to be impartial in this New Constitutional dispensation, then all should have kept quiet and waited for the law to take its course. It is only in this way that Sanity will come back to Kenya. Haven't the Citizens had enough melodrama, with "Chest thumping individuals", who often, operated like they were immune to and above the law? Would we want that situation to continue or would we want to see some sobriety about the rule of law set in?
Over to you Forumists
Jagem
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