Friday, July 16, 2010

Re: My Discontents on Proposed Constitution

ACKNIDP AND ALL

In view of your position on what you consider to be fundamentally bad with the proposed Constitution i.e. the Kadhis Courts and your fear of being "eaten up" by our "brothers" ( I am even glad you are calling them "brothers") under sharia, I wish to hear your comment on the paragraph 3 of the Preamble  that states "We the People of Kenya - Proud of our ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and determined to live in peace and unity as one indivisible nation".

Suppose the NO wins what plans do you have to address the needs, rights and aspirations of this segment of the people of Kenya that you rightly call brothers which I believe also includes sisters? Are you planning to ex-communicate these "brothers" from the face of Kenya? Are you planning to make Kenya a theocracy based on apostolic law?

In my humble view, what holds the future for a secure and united Kenya which a I believe is a shared desire by every Kenyan, is not religious, ethnic and cultural bigotry but our readiness to embrace and tolerate each other because as a nation we are already multicultural, multi-religious and multi-ethnic. That is the reality of our lives in Kenya and that is why the proposed Constitution is very clear on our pride as a diverse nation right from the beginning.  To ensure tolerance in diversity, the Bill of Rights in Article 24 provides circumstances under which rights of each one of us are limited, be  they civil, political, social, economic, communal or religious rights. For example, to ensure that you and others who share your fear are not "EATEN UP BY OUR BROTHERS UNDER SHARIA" Article 24 (4) states:

"The provisions of this Chapter on equality shall be qualified to the extent strictly necessary for the application of Muslim Law (Sharia) before the Kadhis' courts, to persons who profess the Muslim religion, in matters of personal status, marriage, divorce and inheritance"
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Very clearly, the proposed Constitution takes care of your fears and be rest assured that you will not be "EATEN UP BY OUR BROTHERS UNDER SHARIA" because one, you are not a Muslim and two, Muslim religion  is only a source of Muslim law and Kadhis Court is not established as mosque where  faith is propagated but a subordinate court to settle disputes of personal nature only among the Muslims.   

I therefore believe that what you call BAD in the proposed Constitution will never be cured by your or Churches' prescription of social exclusion in a country of extreme diversity, whether the NO side wins or whether we postpone the referendum for another century. In life there are things you may not like but circumstances force you to accept and live with them. One such circumstance is having person of a different faith who you may not like living in your neighbourhood or having a  husband or wife who snores enjoined to you permanently, for better or for worse, till death do you part etc.

I therefore implore you to COME BACK TO YOUR MINDS as you remember the following fundamental teachings of the Christian Faith;

a) The story of the good Samaritan (Luke 10: 30-37)
b) The Greatest Commandment (Mathew 22: 34-40)
c) Seven Woes (Mathew 23)

God Bless our Kenya


Charles Oyaya



From: acknidp Programme <acknidp@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 16 July, 2010 9:46:43
Subject: RE: My Discontents on Proposed Constitution

 IF YOU VOTE YES FOR A BAD CONSTITUTION KENYA WILL END UP TO BE FORGETTEN ei EATEN UP BY OUR BROTHERS UNDER SHARIA  IT IS BETTER WE
ARRIVE LATE THAN BEING 'the Late Kenya' / WAS.

COME BACK TO YOUR MINDS

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, Eric Wabwaya Mburi <ewabwaya@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Eric Wabwaya Mburi <ewabwaya@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: My Discontents on Proposed Constitution
To: "Agola Atieno" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 6:36 AM


Amenya,the constitution may not be 100% parse excellent,but many individuals from all over Kenya, believe that for the sake of the Kenya, urgent reforms are needed.

The crucial requirements of these reforms have been  met by the proposed Constitution. Supporters of the KATIBA may have different reasons why this project must be passed but one thing is clear: we need a new constitution.

  Yes proponents all believe that if the proposed Kenya Constitution is ratified the positive consequences outnumber the negative aspects. Therefore we consider this proposal as productive to the future of Kenya and recommend that the citizens of this lovely Nation say 'YES' to this Constitution.

A 'YES' would not be the end of the KENYA, but the start of a fruitful debate along the lines of the of a best constitution, that would bring the Kenya closer to its citizens

SAY YES TO KATIBA

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:56:18 +0300
Subject: My Discontents on Proposed Constitution
From: amenya.gibson@gmail.com
To: amenya.gibson@gmail.com

I have been struggling with my mind about this thing we call "Constitution" on what is good and bad in current constitution and then what will be good and bad in proposed constitution?.

This is likely to remain a puzzle just like when  I had confined my wisdom that 1plus 1 is two but only to later in my higher studies I have humbled myself to notice that 1+1 can be any value from 2 to 4 to anything based on which angle you may be looking from.

The excitement that new constitution when passed will herald Kenya to be among fast developing countries  still to me will remain mystery  as I  search a viable solution
When we voted out Kanu and replaced it with NARC which we assumed will deliver us to promised democracy land but we all saw what happened.
NARC promised us a new constitution in 100 days nothing happened
It is during NARC regime  that we witnessed highest election violence ever to have been witnessed in Kenyan history.

Will new constitution stop corruption?
Will new constitution stop tribalism?
Will new constitution improve living standards of Kenyans?



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