Friday, July 16, 2010

Re: [NewVisionKenya] Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

Otieno, this is not about voting as far the ambassador is concerned..... it is about overstepping his mandate. His duties do not include carrying out civic education or campaigning actively on a national issue that affects our country. This is about bad manners and being a bad example to the other ambassadors who are representing their countries in Kenya. Assuming there are NO ambassadors, how would you react if they start accompanying Rutto and the church on the campaign trail? absurd. This is more of a pointer to the  feeling that our country could be a failed state. How come our ambassadors can never behave in the same way in their countries? we are not desparate for the support of this guy for this draft to pass. If anything, he is becoming more of a spoiler for the YES team.


On 7/16/10, otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com> wrote:
Oto,
 
Thanks for reminding Prince Okiya that people have to vote,and those people must be Kenyan, so whether Rannebeger goes all over Kenya, he has no vote.
 
Prince Okiya should be preparing his vote, not worrying about  Rannebeger's vote which does not exists anyway.
 
Otieno Sungu


From: odhiambo okecth <komarockswatch@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; modhiambos@yahoo.com
Cc: NVK <NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com>; NVK-Mageuzi@yahoogroups.com; Kenya Community <kca_main@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 8:33:53 AM
Subject: [NewVisionKenya] Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

 

Prince,

You are missing an obvious issue. Ranneberger will not be voting on 4th August 2010. So the section you have quoted has not been violated.

Oto

--- On Thu, 7/15/10, Okiya Omtatah Okoiti <omtatah@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Okiya Omtatah Okoiti <omtatah@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale
To: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com, modhiambos@yahoo. com
Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 10:05 PM

Dear Roz,

Thanks for reminding our brother in Juba about CONTEXT.

The Current Constitution says:
47A. (1) Subject to this section, this Constitution may be replaced.
(2) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Constitution-
(a) the sovereign right to replace this Constitution with a new Constitution vests collectively in the people of Kenya and shall be exercisable by the people of Kenya through a referendum, in accordance with this section;

The last time I checked Mr. Ranneberger was not a Kenyan.

Regards,

Omtatah


From: roz kahumbu <rozkah2005@yahoo. com>
To: modhiambos@yahoo. com; mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com
Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 1:24:07 PM
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

Sungu,

Yes I remember it well. We were under a dictator at that time and I have much at the back of my head....and, I have experienced being called to the 24th floor too.
 The situation is different today.
There is a difference between a foreign embassy helping to shield the life of someone under threat of death and a whole foreign ambassador trotting all over Kenya campaigning for what his boss thinks is the way OUR election / referendum should go.It is just not ethical !
Always remember that America has its own agenda for Kenya...and Africa for that matter.

Sungu...did we ASK for money from USA for our YES Campaign...and did we invite Obama's envoy to run around all over antagonizing the Red side...and so bluster our Green reputation? He has done more damage than good.
What if all the foreign embassies sent their Ambassadors on campaign safaris to do it for us. Why don't they?
Do we need America to be our nurse maid? Or what is the reason for all this patronage?
Have we sold ourselves to America?

Please consult your conscience. Is it wrong or right for a foreign ambassador to do what Obama's envoy is doing in Kenya..(.a sovereign state )....today?

Our own politicians have polarized the country again by taking sides and turning the referendum into a competition. Put a foreign ambassador in the pot as well and things turn really sour! Good Lord...we will soon be saying this is America's constitution !!

roz



--- On Thu, 7/15/10, modhiambos@yahoo. com <modhiambos@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: modhiambos@yahoo. com <modhiambos@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale
To: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com
Cc: rozkah2005@yahoo. com
Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 10:22 AM

Kenyans are too fogetful and complacent i tell you. Its amazing.

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya


From: otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo. com>
Sender: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 03:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
To: <mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com>
ReplyTo: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com
Cc: <rozkah2005@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

Roz,
 
IN the 90s when Smith Hemstone stood by reformists, was it meddling? That time Moi used to set security apparatus on anyone speaking mlti partyism, when the American Embassy saved the likes of Gibson Kamau Kuria, Paul Muite etc(some would be dead today had it no been for that brave Ambassador)  from Moi's agents(some were secretly taken out of the country when they were earmarked for assassinations, others were not so lucky and are not with us today).
 
Was all that meddling? remember it made us break the Moi yoke of oppression and dictatorship, when you could not gather together 2-3 people without being arrested by the notorious Special Branch and CID and Mwakenya pamphlets planted on you, being dragged to Nyayo or Nyati House for "interrogation" (ask Kombo what the process was, he has a dossier to share!!)
 
All this, was it for Americas benefit and how did they benefit from all that?
 
Otieno Sungu


From: roz kahumbu <rozkah2005@yahoo. com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 3:12:49 PM
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

Sungu,

Don't worry...:) I'm LIVING GREEN... and have been from the beginning.
I just do not like meddlesome foreign envoys telling Kenya what it must do !!
It;s somehow obnoxious to me.The Referendum is Kenya's affair, Right?
And we can do it.

roz

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale
To: postmaster@yahoo. com
Cc: rozkah2005@yahoo. com, hshikokoti@yahoo. com
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:31 AM

Roz,
 
Why do you cringe? The fear of Rannebeger of the message he brings? Remember, his exploits has got some misinformed clergy to defect camp NO.
 
Maybe this is why you cringe? Just maybe!!!
 
Sungu


From: Henry Shikokoti <>
To: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 8:49:43 AM
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

Kahumbu,
You can cringe, cringe and cringe until your face cracks to the skull or even the skull rather. Otherwise, for us progressive Kenyans we welcome any progressive minded persons assisting in achieving this noble goal.


From: roz kahumbu <rozkah2005@yahoo. com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 8:10:54 AM
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

I cringe everytime I see this mans face!!

roz

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale
To: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com
Cc: "KCA" <kca_main@yahoogroup s.com>, "newvision" <NewVisionKenya@ yahoogroups. com>, "Kenya Forum" <youngprofessionals_ ke@googlegroups. com>, net-kenya@yahoogrou ps.com, "Young Kenyan" <youngkenyansforchan ge@yahoogroups. com>
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