Hi Paul
It is true that war is sanctioned in Islam. However, Islam is not the only systems which sanctions war. From the olden days to the present times, various systems, empires and countries have gone to war under what they see as justified circumstances. The UN, the
The worst blood bath recorded in the
Of all these systems, it is only Islam which has FAIR rules of engagement during war.
When you read the Bible, in several verses, God is alleged to tell the Israelites to kill all the The Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites -in today's language this can only be equated to Genocide and mass crimes against humanity. The victims were fotues newborn, infant, child, youth, and adult not even sparing even sparing cattle and dogs.
Remember according to the Bible in 2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (King James Version).
Yet in the same book, it is alleged that God inspired the wholesale brutal, cruel and inhuman killings of people
Sample some of these verses.
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV. 
"...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV.
The LORD our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed† them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. (Deut. 2.34-5)
"We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children. But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves. (Deut 3. 6-7)
"Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them. (Num. 24 17)
How can you justify this
NUMBERS 31
7They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.
9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder.
10They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps.
11They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals,
12and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of
13Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp.
14Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them.
16"They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people.
17Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
18but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Muslims can take just pride in the fact that Islam established the sanctity of life, Honour, and property in times of war, and made rules for the conduct of war and ensured their enforcement, centuries before the West declared them to exist in the various present-day international instruments.
Islam firstly describes when a war can be fought and then what are laws relating to war(how Muslims should conduct in battle field).Islam has recognized rights of Non-combatants.
Islam had clearly laid down the circumstances in which war can be fought .There are three basic objectives for commencement of war
1. Protecting the Islamic ideology and doctrine
2. Helping oppressed
3. Repelling aggression and protecting Islam
According to Quran if war is imposed on Muslims they must not show back and they should fight for self-defense. "To those against whom war is made, permission is given to fight, because they are wronged;" (22:30)
It is prohibited to fight those with whom you have a treaty or those who
wish to make peace: "Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace) or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them
power over you, and they would have fought you. Therefore if they withdraw from you and fight you not, and send you (guarantees of peace) then God has
opened no way for you (to fight them) (4:90)
Islam has first drawn a clear line of distinction between the combatants and the non-combatants of the enemy country. As far as the non-combatant population is concerned such as women, children, the old and the infirm, etc., the instructions of the Prophet are as follows: "Do not kill any old person, any child or any woman" (Abu Dawud). "Do not kill the monks in monasteries" or "Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship" (Musnad of Ibn Hanbal).
During a war, the Prophet saw the corpse of a woman lying on the ground and observed: "She was not fighting. How then she came to be killed?" From this statement of the Prophet the exegetists and jurists have drawn the principle that those who are non-combatants should not be killed during or after the war.
The Quran does not require Muslims to "turn the other cheek" when attacked,
but it does require them not to exceed the limits of proper conduct of war, when war is justified. This is the context of 4.74 which you quoted.
Muslims have also been instructed by the Prophet that if they should enter the enemy's territory, they should not indulge in pillage or plunder nor destroy the residential areas, nor touch the property of anyone except those who are fighting with them. It has been narrated in the hadith: "The Prophet has prohibited the believers from loot and plunder" (al-Bukhari; Abu Dawud). His injunction is: "The loot is no more lawful than the carrion" (Abu Dawud).
Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph used to instruct the soldiers while sending them to war, Do not kill women and children. Do no destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.
History speaks about the noble virtues which Muslim rulers engaged in after overcoming their enemies. In 638, when
Is there any parallel in history to this?"
Abu Ayman
From: Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com>
To: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 2:32:56 PM
Subject: The Quran and verses that needs clarification
In sura 5:33 the Qur'an orders those who fight Allah and his messenger to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off; or they can be expelled out of the land. In sura 48:16-17, we read that all who die "fighting in the ways of the Lord" (Jihad) are richly rewarded, but those who retreat are sorely punished.
The first blood shed under Muhammad was carried out by a blind disciple named Umair, who stabbed and killed a woman named Asma while she slept suckling her baby because she had criticized Muhammad with poetic verses. Upon hearing of this Muhammad said "Behold a man that hath assisted the Lord and His prophet. Call him not blind, call him rather 'Umair,' the seeing." (Nehls pg.122).
Therefore, when those of us who are Christians read these suras, and see the example of the prophet himself, we find a total rejection of the previous teachings of Jesus who calls us to live in peace and put away the sword. We then are incredulous when we hear Muslims claim that Islam is the religion of peace. The record speaks for itself.
Abu and my other Muslim friends, I have retrieved some of the verses that clearly brings forth Islam as a religion that discriminates against women and is violent in its nature. Still I need to substantiate my previous claim that Islam promotes slavery.
* Please if you have time clarify the above and let us have a sober approach on these. Abu you had told me earlier that the Bible promotes promiscuity and violence. I'm ready for a rational discussion of the above claims and also clarify the scriptures in the Bible that you said do promote quire acts
Regards
Konyi
From: Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com>
To: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 11:11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible
From: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 10:58:08 AM
Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible
From: Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com>
To: Sham Faraj <habubah2000@yahoo.co.uk>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 4:25:23 PM
Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible
From: Sham Faraj <habubah2000@yahoo.co.uk>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 4:02:28 PM
Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible
| Konyango, What does Islam have to do with the bombing??? The ones who claimed responsibility are ALSHABAB not MUSLIMS in general...!!! We are all condemning what Al-Shabad did, infact it's cowardly, it's not Islamic at all. The killings of innocent children, mothers n fathers in a church during the 2007 clashes, would it be justified if a muslim said that CHRISITIANS are barbaric??? NO! And you never heard any muslim say that nor even think that either, except that we all were horrified to see that our fellow kenyans doing such a horrific thing to their own! There are Irish bombers killing people, there people who kill children in schools at broad day light, and they are christians brought up in a chrisitian family infact, bt it is never mentioned that a chrisitian man or boy terrorised or killed people no, neither is chrisitianity mentioned either. So why when a muslim man/boy/woman does something you have to drag the Islam religion?? What do u know about Islam and its teachings that you, a devoted chrisitian (as u call urself) can come out and say that Islam is a hostile religion?? Kanyago, have you ever read anything from a muslim here in this forum talking against chrisitianity, the way you and some other brothers here do in regards to Islam and muslims?? I haven't. And do you know why? It's because Islam teaches us to respect other people's religion, and Allah said this in the quran: "In the name of Allah, most Gracious most Merciful. 109.01 Say: O ye who rejects faith! 109.02 I worship not that ye worship, 109.03 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 109.04 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, 109.05 Nor will you worship that which I worship. 109.06 To you be your Way, and to me mine" So Konyango please leave Islam to the muslims, who are a peace loving people too, and who DO NOT support the killings of innocent people regardless of their religion. Thank you and have a good day. Sham Faraj
YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY... DON'T LET CRITICISM WORRY YOU...
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