Saturday, September 11, 2010

Re: HARAMBEE.......OR "HAIL AMBE"

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:20 PDT Paul Liyai wrote:

>My Friend Mbemba,
>I am happy that you put in your side of the story about the origin of the word harambee. But did you notice that Hail is not Hindi but English. It is true that Ambe is a hindu god but how do we take an English word HAIL and join it to Ambe and then say it is hindu?
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>You might be from the Kamba community who call God Ngai, can we say that ngai is a Kamba god and therefore put on prefix hail and we get the word hailngai and then claim it is demonic? Who told you that those Coolies who worked on the constraction were all hindus by religion, Chritianity was preached to the Indians by the Apostle Thomas who founded a Chritian congeregation in India long before the gospel came to Kenya. The Judeo-Christian God YHW has many names; Elohim, Jah, Raboth, El Shadai, and many others. Why don't we be positive and then? Why do we feel that a name of Indian origin is therefore evil?
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>Please try also and respond to my entire argument. Ask the mijikenda people what the word halumbe means, you may also consult with Sheikh Nabhan a scholar who works on Kiswahili words and has contributed a lot the current Kiswahili Dictionary.
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>Do you know that the Kalenjin community in Kenya did not have a name for God until they took the name Jehovah? The only name they had for go was Assis or something simlilar which meant the Sun, many other communities in Kenya and AFRICA had to take the name of what they thought to be the supreme being and relate it to what they came to know as God.     
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>--- On Fri, 9/10/10, MBEMBA NZIU <kingasste@gmail.com> wrote:
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>From: MBEMBA NZIU <kingasste@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: HARAMBEE.......OR "HAIL AMBE"
>To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 7:18 AM
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>Odipo,
>Spot on read my ealier posting.
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>Kingasste.
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>On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, geogre dips <mcodipo@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Good peopl,
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>May i throw in my version of the origin of our  popular credo .....HARAMBEE....!
>"AMBE" is the indian god oif strength. As the indian coolies were working on the nairobi-mombasa railway, they would chant " HAIL AMBE" for strength as they pulled the heavy steel!
>Their africal colleagues went chanting 'HARAMBEE' as a way of pulling strenth! What about that?!
>odipo
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>From: "bkojiem@comcast.net" <bkojiem@comcast.net>
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>To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 2:29:12 PM
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>Subject: Re: Harambee is not a Hindu god and can not be a hindu word it is a Swahili word and Kenyan
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>Words can sound the same and also be spelt the same but in different languages from the entire world but bear different meanings.  For instance, the one time Japanese Prime Minister H.E Kuma Moto.  Tell that to someone who understand Kiswahili and check their reaction.  His name was never mentioned in public functions because the crowd would go wild with excitement.
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>Ben Odotte
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>From: "ANTONY MBAYAKI" <antombeks@gmail.com>
>To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
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>Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 4:16:55 PM
>Subject: Re: Harambee is not a Hindu god and can not be a hindu word it is a Swahili word and Kenyan
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>which luhya dilect is the word Khulumba used?. let luhyas help here to stop this lie.
>I tell you the truth, if we had power, we would also change the names of the week to something Godly.
>Antony
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>On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Paul Liyai <pauliyai@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Dear Friends,
>I would like to say that as much as the word Harambee may sound the same as the Hindu word Hare Ambe or the like I object in the strongest terms that it means the same with what the Kiswahili word means. The word is a Bantu word from one of the Miji Kenda dialect Halumbe Which meant pull or push together. The word is a kin to another word Kulumba which means make or prepare like in the composing of a poem hence a poet known as Mlumbi.
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>The word has resemblance with a Luhya word khulumba which can be translated to push. When all is said and done, it is not fare to give a meaning to a word because it sounds like another word in a another language. For example we have words in our Kenyans languages which mean something else in another language.
> Some can not be uttered by the speakers of those languages. For Example Kipchoge's Second name or Surname Keino can not be uttered in a church in Kitui or among the Kikuyu. Does the same sound of the word make the word have the same meaning in both languages?
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>Second, it is in History that Mzee Jom Kenyatta is the one who used this name Harambee when he found the Mijikenda people using it to urge the people to work together. It means to pull together so if our National team and the technical bench with the support of the goverment pull together, we can win games.
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>If we think that since the word harambee may sound the same as hare ambe hare rama hare krishna etc, and therefore making our harambee satanic, then why cann't we go ahead and remove all the names of the days of the week; Monday, Tuseday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday Satuday and Sunday from our calendar
> because each of them was a day dedicated to Roman gods?
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>In applied lingustics and sociolinguistics, when a word is taken from language A and used to mean something else in language B, the original meaning becomes absolete as far as the speakers of language B are concerned. For example  the Kiswahili word Meli  which mean a ship, came from the English word Mail meaning letter. To us kiswahili speakers we know that meli is that ship that sails on the in ocean. The word as it exists meli has no meaning in English whatsoever.
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>Another word related to this is the Word Man of War which was translated into Kiswahili as manowari , to us manowari is an Armored boat, in oher places it is defined as a
> venomous dangerous sea organism. Does this change the way we use the word in Kiswahili? There are other many words like Keya a name used by many Communities in Kenya which actually is the abreviation of The Kings African Rifle ( KAR) Panyako,- Pioneer Corps, Girimiti agirimiti, jirimiti, chilimiti - Agreement, Kandarasi- contract, Aluvanze- advance salary, and other names like Perpetua-   Pelepetua( especially among the Luhyas- Scholarstica- Sikolo, Bartholomeus- maturumayo, etc
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>Harambee is not a Hindu god and can be a hindu word it is a Swahili word and Kenyan, it is only used in Kenya. Tanzanians do not use it.
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>I know the person who wrote a book on this issue of Harambee from Eldoret and when I asked him to talk about what I have raised here he couldn't speak.
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