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On 9/30/10, Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to ask Orina to allow me to edit the title for the paper to read
> "*Why
> the government should break the law in order to Kill Terrorists"*
>
> We are tired of peopel supporting terrorist in the name the name of getting
> funds thourgh their "Human Rights Activitst". They are ready to visit
> terrorist in cells but not the families of the people killed by the
> terrorist!
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, orina Nyamwamu <orinaonka@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Karegwa Muchiri,
>>
>> I want to organize a public forum for you to come and explain precisely
>> what you stand for. This crazy business of calling for the incaceration
>> of
>> other people with impunity while the real Al qaeda or Al shabab terrorists
>> walk on our streets is unacceptable.
>>
>> If you are ready to present your paper on: *Why the government should
>> break the law in order to let Terrorists walk free* then let me know.
>>
>> And do not forget what I revealed here about Alai when he said Ndung'u
>> Wainaina had broken into his offices to attract donor money. Alai is a
>> mouth piece for the intelligence who is used to fight back the human
>> rights
>> activists so that they do not raise a voice against police torture and
>> state
>> terrorism. So predictable Alai is.
>>
>> Amen
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 9/28/10, Salah Sheikh <salah.sheikh@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Salah Sheikh <salah.sheikh@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Al Amin Kimathi
>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 12:09 PM
>>
>> Karegwa Muchiri,
>> people are being detained in Uganda not because the have committed a crime
>> but because crimes are dossiers are being manufactured and trumped up and
>> they are being tortured to accept it. The whole thing is very suspicious.
>> The dossiers being manufactured are like a Hollywood movie connecting
>> countries, peoples and organizations, too precise to be believable even to
>> a
>> nursery student.
>> Al-Amin is a prisoner of politics not any crime he committed and any sane
>> Kenyan who is not suffering xenophobia like you, Ogaro and Ali can see it.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* karegwa muchiri <muchirikaregwa@hotmail.com>
>> *To:* mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; gakamau@yahoo.com
>> *Sent:* Tue, September 28, 2010 12:40:58 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: Al Amin Kimathi
>>
>> Beatrice Kamau you surprise me that you should be concerned about Almin
>> and his children and his so called loved ones.. If he is innocent, there
>> is
>> nothing to worry and his loved ones have nothing to worry. I am surprised
>> you are not worried about the loved ones of the innocent 70 plus people
>> who
>> died in Uganda from the cowardly terror act. Cyprian argues that the
>> security agencies broke the law by taking the suspects to Uganda, true
>> true
>> but why didnt they arrest some farmers in Kwale or Siaya as suspects?.
>> The
>> law is broken all the time and should be broken in public interest. This
>> is
>> not double standards. Its the reality of the past, present and the future.
>> Suspects nabbed earlier incriminated their brothers in crime and thats
>> why
>> security forces nabbed them easily. Some have even confessed the role they
>> played in the terrorist actions in Uganda. Lets avoid sentimentalism in
>> matters so grave. Perhaps our so called human rights activists might want
>> to tell us why suddenly they are no longer sentimental about the victims
>> of
>> PEV who are still in camps than to waste time looking for relevance over
>> Almin Kimathi self sought misfortune? . Almin Kimathi took himself to
>> Uganda and he will be charged and the truth will be known very soon. His
>> true identity will come out sooner that later. Only time will tell. Press
>> conferences and press releases only encourage and motivate terrorists
>> that
>> they have allies when innocent terror victims are long dead and forgotten
>> while their loved ones continue to suffer....
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:50:44 -0700
>> From: gakamau@yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: Al Amin Kimathi
>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>>
>> God forgive those who want to be judges of others like Robert Alai and
>> and Jonah Ongaro.
>>
>> When you write please be sensitive to others especially the children and
>> loved ones of Alamin and the other suspects. Remember they are all
>> innocent
>> until proven guilty. They all have a right to a fair trial and that is all
>> we are asking for. Even if today Robert and Jonah were arrested in unclear
>> circumstances, we would stand up and demand that you be given a fair
>> hearing/trial because it is your basic right.
>>
>> Have a blessed day
>>
>> Beatrice G. Kamau
>> Executive Director
>> Social Reform Centre (SOREC)
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 9/27/10, orina Nyamwamu <orinaonka@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: orina Nyamwamu <orinaonka@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Al Amin Kimathi
>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 4:05 PM
>>
>> I was right to have given up on people who think that the instrument of
>> citizens protest is to be applied to protest against civilians- suspects
>> who
>> have been arrested by governments. If you politicize terrorism in the
>> region
>> and start to believe governments are telling you blindly you shall be in
>> so
>> much trouble.
>>
>> You protest against actions of governments' omission or commission. You
>> condemn citizens who act in a manner that is despicable.
>>
>> And before you issue a statement you wait to get official confirmation of
>> what has happened and who has done it.
>>
>> As we were waiting for intelligence on the Uganda terrorist act, the
>> government of Kenya had already broken the constitution by renditioning
>> Kenyans to Kampala.
>>
>> Now when do you know propaganda from the truth?
>> The Israel government has recently sent its agents to kill people in far
>> away lands. Governments all over the world stage terrorist acts so
>> frequently. When do we know an act of civilian terrorism from that of
>> state
>> terrorism?
>>
>> I pray for some wit
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 9/25/10, Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists
>> Propagandist
>> To: "mlalahoi mlalahoi" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
>> Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 7:34 AM
>>
>>
>> I agree with Robert.
>>
>> Al Amin Kimathi should have led a demonstration to denounce the bombing of
>> Kampala. The we could have know he is a good man. He loves Al-Faisal more
>> than the over 70 innocent people who were killed. He loves Al-Faisal more
>> than the Jamaicans. He loves Al-Faisal more than the peace keepers who are
>> killed in Somalia. Kimathi only becomes active when suspected
>> terrorists have been arrested. I totally support the Uganda Government in
>> arresting these people. I also support the Kenyan Government for the
>> cooperation with Uganda.
>>
>>
>> Terrorists do not want a central Government in Somalia. They are killing
>> people who have gone to help them e.g AMISOM. Uganda soldiers have been
>> casualties. Surely H.H. President Museveni cannot keep quiete. He is doing
>> a
>> good job. I believe ordinary Somali's want peace in their country.
>>
>> What do terrorists want? We read in the papers that they have been
>> targeting Nairobi and Mombasa. I thought they should be more happy
>> because Kenyans passed a muslim friendly constitution.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: alai.robert@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:58:05 +0300
>> Subject: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists
>> Propagandist
>> To: wanyeki@iconnect.co.ke; nyciv@googlegroups.com;
>> bidiiafricaINT@googlegroups.com; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Security matters should be left to the security bodies. I believe and
>> suspect that Al Amin Kimathi supports and talks for terrorists. Al Amin is
>> very vocal when suspected terrorists are arrested but never vocal when
>> ordinary muslims are arrested. I believe that Al Amin Kimathi is a
>> spokesman
>> for Al-Qaeda and he should be ready to clear his name in a court of law.
>>
>> His behaviour at the demo to support Al-Faisal reinforced my view. Our
>> security iss more important than the rights of a few fundamentalists be
>> they
>> Christians, Budhists, Muslims or Atheists
>>
>>
>> *Robert Alai*
>> *Blogger / Net Evangelist
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, L. Muthoni Wanyeki <
>> wanyeki@iconnect.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>> FYI…the joint CS and KNCHR statement on the charging of Al Amin Kimathi
>> in Uganda released Wednesday morning in the presence of his wife,
>> who still hasn't been able to communicate with him.
>>
>> NB: please note that this is a corrected version of what was released
>> (small edits, with the names of the organisations who came, which weren't
>> on
>> the one that the media received). Please note too that anybody who
>> received
>> the first corrected version last evening should use this version instead.
>> Primarily because I'd erroneously included HRW on the list of
>> organisations
>> who came, which I shouldn't have as everything released in their name has
>> to
>> go through its internal process first. So HRW was present, its own
>> statement was given as part of the documentation, but it did not sign onto
>> this one.
>>
>> Update: The charges are as
>> per the charge sheets of the other 37 suspects, involving acts of terror
>> resulting in the deaths of 70 persons ie. he stands accused of
>> involvement in the July 11 bombings.
>>
>> Of the 38 suspects, 13 are Kenyan and, of those, 9 were illegally
>> renditioned for purposes of this trial (when legal extradiction was an
>> option and a fairly standard procedure, which the Government of Tanzania
>> has followed in respect of Tanzanian suspects, for example). Two of the
>> wives of the nine were also present at the press conference.
>>
>> As previously mentioned, there are a number of organizations following
>> up on different aspects: a) ensuring continued monitoring of the trials
>> of the Kenyan suspects; b) strengthening the legal defense for and
>> possibly mounting a legal challenge to Al Amin's charging given his HRD
>> status; c) trying to raise and get his case addressed politically, again
>> given his HRD status. If anybody not already engaged wants to help on
>> any of those aspects, please let Hassan Omar of the KNCHR:
>> homar@knchr.org <mailto:homar@knchr.org> or myself know.
>>
>> Asante!
>>
>> Muthoni.
>> --
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>> Kenya
>> Tel:(254) 20.3874998/9
>> Fax: (254) 20.3874997
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