Wednesday, September 29, 2010

RE: Al Amin Kimathi

Jonah, Alai and others.
If Alamin asks all muslims to stand together if one is persecuted, thats called solidarity. I am sure you guys would be smiling ear to ear if you were wrongfully held in Saudi Arabia and all Kenyans or all Christians came out in your defence.
Secondly, the onus was on the government not Al Amin to sort out the Faizal mess. The Jamaican cleric was not a runaway convict or fugitive but had been suspected and blacklisted for whatever reason to include his radical religious views. The decision to let him into Kenya or not was the discretion of Minister Kajwang. If it was a tactical mistake on Kajwang's part, you cannot therefore continue holding the muslim, hindu, buddhist or atheist at Industrial Area remand prison for days on end without charging him in court.
THAT is the crux of the argument.  All these other reckless and bigoted arguments doing the rounds on the net, newspapers and even in govenrment will forment suspicion and hatred leading Kenya down a new path to sectarian violence.

--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Al Amin Kimathi
To: "mlalahoi mlalahoi" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 2:08 AM

Whatever one needs to know about Islam, you just need to look at Kampala bombing, 9/11, Nairobi bombing etc.
 
Coming back to Al-Amin, I remember him adressing some muslims on TV (I think KTN) where he said 'muislamu mmmoja akidhulumiwa, basi ni waislamu wote wamedhulumiwa. Na kwa hivyo tuungane sis sote'. This was taht tiem when Al Faisal was around.

 

Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:30:26 -0700
From: abuayman88@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Al Amin Kimathi
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
CC: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com


Alai
As i told you earlier, it appears you have a bigotry and negative attitude towards Muslims. First befor criticising Al-Amin, you need to repent-you claimed to have been saved-from participating in the looting of Muslim property during the Jan 15th riots and you categorically stated that you are ready to participate in the thuggery  if you get another chance.
If you are not aware, Al-Amin has been involved in fighting for human rights not only among Muslims but even non-Muslims in many parts of the country. If his other activities are nor reported in the press for you to know his wide range of activities, he is not to blame.
I do challenge you to table one evidence implicating him in the criminal activities. Go ahead and prove that you are not a Liar-Shame upon you and you are disgrace to Christianity as it does not advocate pure lies.

Abu Ayman

From: Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com>
To: MlalaHoi <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 12:38:18 PM
Subject: Re: Al Amin Kimathi

Beatrice

I think you guys in the Civil society needs retraining because you
have a mentality taht one of your own cant be wrong. When teh
government also shows the same attitude you complain. But the funny
thing is that you dont complain since 2007 and we nowadays dont see
more of Philo Ikonya, Okoiti and others fighting police teargas
because money is pouring in.

Al-Amin Kimathis is an accomplice with terrorists. Al-Amin Kimathi
heads Muslims Human Rights Forum and the funny thing is that you will
never see Kimathi or his NGO when Muslims are harrased in eastleigh or
their rights trampled in North Eastern. You will never see Al-Amin
when the poor muslim women are raped in refugee camps. You will only
see Al-Amin Kimathi when Al-Shabaab operatives are arrested or Al-
Faisal is in town.

I know much more about Al-Amin Kimathi and when I presented evidence
to police in January, he was arrested and you can see that from this
video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkSf-LLMfnM

Al AMin is a propagandists for terrorists. I am a friend to many
muslims and when we meet in California and South C during weekends,
they agree that they think that Al-Amin Kimathi is a terrorist. he can
send suicide bombers my way but we need rationality on this. Hassan
Omar also is joining teh league. Security matters cant be handled by
NGOs. Patriotic Kenyans must say no to Al-Shabaab, Al-Faisal or Al-
Bomb-U

Alai

On Sep 28, 9:50 am, Beatrice Kamau <gaka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> God forgive those who want to be judges of others like Robert Alai and and Jonah Ongaro.
>  
> When you write please be sensitive to others especially the children and loved ones of Alamin and the other suspects.  Remember they are all innocent until proven guilty. They all have a right to a fair trial and that is all we are asking for. Even if today Robert and Jonah were arrested in unclear circumstances, we would stand up and demand that you be given a fair hearing/trial because it is your basic right.
>  
> Have a blessed day
>
> Beatrice G. Kamau
> Executive Director
> Social Reform Centre (SOREC)
>
> --- On Mon, 9/27/10, orina Nyamwamu <orinao...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: orina Nyamwamu <orinao...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Al Amin Kimathi
> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 4:05 PM
>
> I was right to have given up on people who think that the instrument of citizens protest is to be applied to protest against civilians- suspects who have been arrested by governments. If you politicize terrorism in the region and start to believe governments are telling you blindly you shall be in so much trouble.
>
> You protest against actions of governments' omission or commission. You condemn citizens who act in a manner that is despicable.
>
> And before you issue a statement you wait to get official confirmation of what has happened and who has done it.
>
> As we were waiting for intelligence on the Uganda terrorist act, the government of Kenya had already broken the constitution by renditioning Kenyans to Kampala.
>
> Now when do you know propaganda from the truth?
> The Israel government has recently sent its agents to kill people in far away lands. Governments all over the world stage terrorist acts so frequently. When do we know an act of  civilian terrorism from that of state terrorism?
>
> I pray for some wit
>
> --- On Sat, 9/25/10, Jonah Ogaro <jonahog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jonah Ogaro <jonahog...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists Propagandist
> To: "mlalahoi mlalahoi" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 7:34 AM
>
>  I agree with Robert.
>  
> Al Amin Kimathi should have led a demonstration to denounce the bombing of Kampala. The we could have know he is a good man. He loves Al-Faisal more than the over 70 innocent people who were killed. He loves Al-Faisal more than the Jamaicans. He loves Al-Faisal more than the peace keepers who are killed in Somalia. Kimathi only becomes active when suspected terrorists have been arrested. I totally support the Uganda Government in arresting these people. I also support the Kenyan Government for the cooperation with Uganda.
>  
>  
> Terrorists do not want a central Government in Somalia. They are killing people who have gone to help them e.g AMISOM. Uganda soldiers have been casualties. Surely H.H. President Museveni cannot keep quiete. He is doing a good job. I believe ordinary Somali's want peace in their country.
>  
> What do terrorists want? We read in the papers that they have been targeting Nairobi and Mombasa. I thought they should be more happy because Kenyans passed a muslim friendly constitution.
>  
>  
>
> From: alai.rob...@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:58:05 +0300
> Subject: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists Propagandist
> To: wany...@iconnect.co.ke; nyciv@googlegroups.com; bidiiafricaINT@googlegroups.com; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>
> Security matters should be left to the security bodies. I believe and suspect that Al Amin Kimathi supports and talks for terrorists. Al Amin is very vocal when suspected terrorists are arrested but never vocal when ordinary muslims are arrested. I believe that Al Amin Kimathi is a spokesman for Al-Qaeda and he should be ready to clear his name in a court of law.
>
> His behaviour at the demo to support Al-Faisal reinforced my view. Our security iss more important than the rights of a few fundamentalists be they Christians, Budhists, Muslims or Atheists
>
> Robert Alai
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> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, L. Muthoni Wanyeki <wany...@iconnect.co.ke> wrote:
>
> FYI…the joint CS and KNCHR statement on the charging of Al Amin Kimathi
> in Uganda released Wednesday morning in the presence of his wife,
> who still hasn't been able to communicate with him.
>
> NB: please note that this is a corrected version of what was released (small edits, with the names of the organisations who came, which weren't on the one that the media received).  Please note too that anybody who received the first corrected version last evening should use this version instead.  Primarily because I'd erroneously included HRW on the list of organisations who came, which I shouldn't have as everything released in their name has to go through its internal process first.  So HRW was present, its own statement was given as part of the documentation, but it did not sign onto this one.
>
> Update: The charges are as
> per the charge sheets of the other 37 suspects, involving acts of terror
> resulting in the deaths of 70 persons ie. he stands accused of
> involvement in the July 11 bombings.
>
> Of the 38 suspects, 13 are Kenyan and, of those, 9 were illegally
> renditioned for purposes of this trial (when legal extradiction was an
> option and a fairly standard procedure, which the Government of Tanzania
> has followed in respect of Tanzanian suspects, for example). Two of the
> wives of the nine were also present at the press conference.
>
> As previously mentioned, there are a number of organizations following
> up on different aspects: a) ensuring continued monitoring of the trials
> of the Kenyan suspects; b) strengthening the legal defense for and
> possibly mounting a legal challenge to Al Amin's charging given his HRD
> status; c) trying to raise and get his case addressed politically, again
> given his HRD status. If anybody not already engaged wants to help on
> any of those aspects, please let Hassan Omar of the KNCHR:
> ho...@knchr.org <mailto:ho...@knchr.org> or myself know.
>
> Asante!
>
> Muthoni.
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