Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Re: 'sonkoism' is dangerous to Kenya at this juncture!


Dear WALALAHOI,
for those of us here claiming to know leadership yet they have never served in any position are totally day dreaming. why are we accusing 'Sonko' yet he heralded a great support from his constituents. isnt that usurping democratic rights of individuals and freedom of choice? why is that now since a young man is in power the old folks "who have completely performed miserably or have never performed at all" are murmuring as if they previously showed some sense of leadership!!!!
Vijana tuamuke na tuangushe Wazee waende kuchunga mabibi zao nyumbani.
thks.
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Mwaura, Chrispin C <MwauraC@stanbic.com> wrote:

Looks like we are watching those usual Nigerian movies – like ''King of Kings''

 

From: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com [mailto:mlalahoi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of omondi omondi
Sent: 28 September 2010 12:26 PM
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 'sonkoism' is dangerous to Kenya at this juncture!

 

Dear O' bulukhu Musasia,

 

Thanks for the little education and reality check to this old goons in this forum.

 

I appreciate your sentiments,and i quote"However, he seems to relate to the reality of what faces the people of makadara.The persona and demeanor speaks for itself.Sonko is Real.He dines and wines with the people and he can as well be called a man of the people.I believe in this man.He may be empty headed.But we have alot of learned empty headed people inthis forum."

 

Congrats Man,and thanks for standing with the wise rather than the learned fools.

 

 

Omondi Omondi.

 

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:02 AM, alphonce mbaru <dmbaru2007@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thats a good overview on the critical questions on our democracy maturity,with this trend,is democracy on sale to the highest bidder despite other credentials?:Poverty is our main problem,now if we allow speculative businessmen(the rich and wealth)to 'buyout  political power' through populist endeavors to entice our gullible voters...where are we taking Kenya to.Its very true that one cannot and should not be allowed to use private wealth to solve public issues:but how,can we stop the tide because 'sonkoism' is going to hit at our young democracy hardest in 2012 and especially in our counties...'sonkod people will fill our senate and parliament' ..then what...?

dzombombaru

 

 


From: geogre dips <mcodipo@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 7:22:18 AM
Subject: RE:SONKO'S POPULISM VS LEADERSHIP

Good pple,
i watched this sonko guy on k24 and i still maintain that his case was a political accident! he has no clear policy and can hardly express himself . all he wants to do is to donate his salary! this is not leadership but populism. i maintain that a good leader should not offer private solutions to public problems. we need people with clear policies to be put in place for posterity.for how long will he feed the people of makadara on his salary?!
secondly, who is sonko and what is the source of his wealth? IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WEALTHY PEOPLE, GO TO THE TAX MAN. How much has sonko paid in taxes. is he the owner of those pick-pocket infested noisy mini-buses operated by swash-bucklers devoid of any respect for traffic laws and human decency?
being a young person does not mean that you should not be scrutinized for holding a public office. i have nothing personal against sonko  but there are certain minimum requirements we must expect from our leaders, otherwise Kenyans in their collective "wisdom" can fill parliament with windbags who have nothing but their wealth to offer.
odipo

--- On Mon, 9/27/10, Elijah Kombo <komboelijah@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Elijah Kombo <komboelijah@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Missing the point: Just Being Youth Doesnt Mean Being Pro-Change
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com, NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com, "BUNGE MWANACHI" <bungelamwanainchi@yahoo.com>, "MWANYAGETINGE NETWORK" <mwanyagetinge@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: ma_obulukhu@yahoo.com, "KENYA NEW" <NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com>, "NVK MAGEUZI" <NVK-Mageuzi@yahoogroups.com>, "YOUNG PROFESSIONALS" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 2:30 PM

I agree with the sentiments that Cyprian Nyamwamu has put forward. The Makadara people spoke and their verdict stands hata kama tunafungua midomo Sonko has made it to parliament. The youth will do everything whtin their powers to dethrone old policies/political view points. It doesnt matter whether one has the content or not - they will learn while on the job. Sonko might turn out to be the best perfomer...wait and see.

 

Regards

Kombo Elijah

 


From: Evans MACHERA <evansmachera@yahoo.com>
To: NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; BUNGE MWANACHI <bungelamwanainchi@yahoo.com>; MWANYAGETINGE NETWORK <mwanyagetinge@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: ma_obulukhu@yahoo.com; KENYA NEW <NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com>; NVK MAGEUZI <NVK-Mageuzi@yahoogroups.com>; YOUNG PROFESSIONALS <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 8:11:04 PM
Subject: Missing the point: Just Being Youth Doesnt Mean Being Pro-Change


I want to subscribe to the topic"Being young doesn't mean being pro-change".

I once had an opportunity to prepare and interview a former CKRC Commissioner Pastor Ayonga Senior for and on behalf of IGAA-K (a professional group).

I placed before him one question that read;-

Its often said that youths are leaders of tomorrow and it appears that the octogenarians seems to grow stronger by each day.

His answer was that you are not always young.Yesterday you were a baby,today a young man,tomorrow will be in the old age - do something today.

We usually talk of change,but do we define the change we want!
How do we quantify the changes already made!
Do we have the grasp of the society's issues!

Now friends,its constitutional and we have the numbers,why cant we have young men and of course women taking all elective posts and bring the much talked of change.

One major change i want is to elect a person without giving handouts.is that possible,unless i don't understand what change is.


Evans MACHERA.



--- On Mon, 9/27/10, O&#39; bulukhu Musasia <al_musasia@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: O' bulukhu Musasia <al_musasia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NewVisionKenya] Missing the point: Just Being Youth Doesnt Mean Being Pro-Change
To: NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com
Cc: ma_obulukhu@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 9:43 AM

 

  The makadara By-election was no the only one held two weeks ago.We had the Juja and Starehe.the politics of money is not going anywhere any tine soon.Sonko was within every right to vie and won fairly and squarely.Many exepected Ndolo to win and since he didn't they are crying foul.I didn't know sonko and i never heard of him before.However, he seems to relate to the reality of what faces the people of makadara.The persona and demeanor speaks for itself.Sonko is Real.He dines and wines with the people and he can as well be called a man of the people.I believe in this man.He may be empty headed.But we have alot of learned empty headed people inthis forum.

 


From: orina Nyamwamu <orinaonka@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 5:37:10 AM
Subject: [NewVisionKenya] Missing the point: Just Being Youth Doesnt Mean Being Pro-Change

 

Christine You are right to an extent.
But you are missing the issues. The issue is not age but our politics.. Kenya's Politics. Let us not get our anger vented on the youth now.. please.

After the Labour Party in the UK has just elected Ed Miliband- 40 years old; the lesson to learn from there is that our politics are wrong here. We never believe in organizations, we do politics around individuals. We have missed for 50 years and Yes we are not about to fix it. The constitution offers a great opportunity but we must not miss the point.

For me the Q remains: How come PLO has not prosecuted any one since he has been at KACC on corruption, money laundering, name it? How come no party get deregistered yet they break the law? How come How politics remains the same: Money, violence, sexism, content free?

On the last item: What was the content difference btn Ndolo, Sonko and Wathika? Ok so who of the three is not a suspect of dubious money, corruption etc. Christine name your clean man in Makadara.

These are the issues but let us not divert the nation into villifying the youth. Or the older members of our nation simply because of age. The spirit of positive change is to be found in youth. Give as many examples as you want of the wrong youthful politicians in the land but for every example of a great and change minded leader who is old today that you give, you will remember that they were more change driven when they were young than today. They have simply remained consistent.

Let me attempt. Why is it that when old corrupt guys get elected it does not receive so much scrutiny as when young misadventourous ones get elected. How come the re-election  of Mwakwere did not receive so much criticism as Mbuvi Sonko's?

It is because People expect young people to be change  driven and ethical, clean, accountable and Mbuvi does not seem to meet fit this bill. So then we must try more younger politicians because the expectations on them to perform are higher.

But Before you condemn the people of Makadara I beg that you listen to them a little more clearly without your pre-conceived judgment. The youth are associated with change. And change means that some one stands for either a different policy or a different style. What would the election of Ndolo or Wathika have helped the people of Makadara with by the way? The people wanted some different style not policies and that is exactly the thing about change. Change is always not substantive. It is even about form. Sadly

I urge Kenyans to try many more younger politicians in principle. If they miss content, they are likely to get innovativeness and versatility. Christine, Raila was not as conservative as he is today 20 years ago if you remember. Age has made him such a conservative who even supports the Provincial administration and even does not see the problem with Ruto being in the cabinet. Now he is old and embraces anything that can give him power.

I am embarrassed by Mbuvi but my criticism of him is not about his age. I think age gives him the freedom to try new things. What concerns me is the fact that he can not explain where he gets all the money that he has. And that brings me to ask. How come no one has prosecuted this guys who walk around with Money bags? Will PLO do something?

Your recommendations need tightening. Kenya's problem is the lack of a democratic and revolutionary party. We have a long way to go. But the New constitution offers a fabulous opportunity.

I am happy Safina ran  only clean candidates in Bomachoge, Shinyalu, Juja. We could not get any one to run in Makadara or Starehe so we rejected all requests.

Cyprian Nyamwamu
NCA-NCEC
P4C
Safina



--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Christine Baraza <christinebaraza@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Christine Baraza <christinebaraza@yahoo.com>
Subject: Just Being Youth Doesnt Mean Being Pro-Change
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:50 PM

 

Some people think that just being youth means change. This is not necessarily true. Some Kenyan Youth leaders have been so dissapointing. There are youth in Kenya who have been elected and have been worse than the wazees. Take for example the earlier Danson Mungatana, someone like Mbugua of kamkunji, someone like Joseph Kutuny and many more including Livondo. So as we think youth, we must scrutinise the kind of youth we want for change. Sonko seems very empty when it comes policy and truth be told he didnt win because of his policies of change but he literally bought the seat.

 

The Youth have the greatest opportunity in 2012 to get into office-be it at the county level or at the national government level and bring in the change that they have been waiting for, for so long but WE MUST ELECT THE YOUTH WHO ARE PRO-CHANGE not just any other youth and I believe we have many of such youth in Kenya. The only means for Kenyans to elect pro-change youth is for them to offer themselves as candidates at the General elections and more so educate the populace that buying votes doesnt equal to a development conscious leader. Thats why the people of Makadara got it all wrong when they allowed themselves to be bought with meat, money and beer.

 

 

 


 


--- On Sat, 9/25/10, Margaret Gichuki <Wams2006@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Margaret Gichuki <Wams2006@gmail.com>
Subject: [NVK-Mageuzi] Sonko is the man.We need more young turks with a vision like him.
To: "kca_main" <kca_main@yahoogroups.com>, "NVK-M MAGEUZI" <NVK-Mageuzi@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Africa-Oped" <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>, "newvision" <NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com>, "youngprofessionals_ke" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 11:52 PM

 

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000019146&cid=4&ttl=Mike
'Sonko': I'm not as wealthy as people think

I see him becoming Nairobi Gov.And at 35 yrs of age, he can do
alot.Young leaders needs to be on the front line in 2012 now that we
have a chance to phase Wazee politicians out once and for all.No self
respecting politician would ever admit to working in Government; they
prefer to think of themselves as serving the nation.My foot!
distortions coming out of Parliament today...unreal!''. They say ''Iam
serving the nation'' and they characterize their work as ''public
service.'' WHAT PUBLIC SERVICE????

whhttp://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Farewell%20to%20a%20cabinet%20of%20capitalists%20/-/440808/1018084/-/8qgsobz/-/index.html

They need to go.

 

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