You are certainly fortunate to have a scientific background studying at the university , we cannot all profess to having scientific reasoning to our jots , i think yours is the absolute truth , I therefore apologise without reservation
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From: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com [mailto:mlalahoi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ANTONY MBAYAKI
Sent: 08 September 2010 23:11
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: There is nothing like Atheism
Atheists have made themselves the referees of religion. why do you beleive that just because you have rejected religion you are the thinker. I am a birn a gain spirit filled tongue speaking christian. True Christianity needs more than thinking. It requires long prayer time/meditation, fasting, reading the bible etc. This is deeeeeep thinking basically.I have prayed and miracles of healing have taken place. I have seen mad people become sane and the lame walk. Science cant do this and even where it has tried, it takes a looooong time. Look at the worlds great inventors including Einstein the greatest scientist. They all refer to God. When Albert Einstein was asked by PhD student what field of knowledge is left for one to do an original disertation do you know what he answered.. "RESEARCH ON PRAYER". Aske students of physics and more so nuclear physics. I can tell you even up to today, higly intellignet people at masachussets university , Tel aviv univerity etc are still trying to undertand and mervel at some of the things Eistein did. Ask yourself whay is it that the Jews have made 70% of the worlds inventions? coincidence or religion?. Let me tell you a secrete, it is called revelation. the Bible says fools say there is no God. It also says, let anyone who has no wisdom ask God (in Jesus name) and He will give it to him generously. Have your ever read ben Carson books?, the big picture, gifted hand etc. Is He a thinker or a fool. Can you compare his nuerosurgery skills to any other in modern times?. Do yo know who made him pass his exams when he knew he was going to be kicked out of med school etc. Even the hospital he works in, the best there is in the world the dream work station of every doctor, what is it its name. . The great doctors who work in it what do you think they beleive in?. It is said the great inventors of our age, their leneage can be traced to those women who served Jesus at the cross. .. look a round your village and see the children of those people who wellcomed missoneries or gave land for church purpose etc. I tell you the truth whether their childrenn know God or not, they are the ones who are leaders in those villages.. .anyone who will give you a cup of water for my name sake ...., I will bless to a thousand generations.. i have never seen a man of God forsaken nor his children begging for bread. God means profit to us don't be cheated that we serve Him in vain. The secrete is when reading the Bible, ask the writer to interpret it-God Himself. He is not looking at our sins but our deep desire to genuienly know Him.
You say it is for the faint hearted, hahaha!!!, can you be crucified upside down for something you know it is a lie, can you allow yourself to be skinned a life, can you allow yourself to be thrown on boling oil or fire etc for a lie or for a thing you have not deeply "thinked" a bout. I dont know much about other religions but that is the price those through whom the gospel of Christ was passed endured b4 it got to me. They only needed to stop believing in Jesus. As an atheist you only need a threat of a suck and you will renounce it. But why should God waste His breath on that. For you to survive this kind of persecution you need something called grace.
Look at atheists like karl Max, Stalin, Hitler etc. Let us assume, religion has killed more people than other causes (which i doubt because it is a statistics of atheists ) but over what period?. Hilter in just one "night" 6M of one tribe leave a lone others who also died. Hitler hated blacks to the point he could not shakle hands with the Jesse the great american athelete during the Munich olympics. This notwithsatnding, I consider religions or people who kill in the name of god incluing Konny of Uganda, atheists. God does not advocate for stupid take away of lives. look at how atheists support arbotion. The greatest murdering spree of our times. Only religion can speak out.
Think my friend and research on prayer. God is real , heaven is real and hell is real too. Choose heaven.
I have a sceintific background and working in one of our public universities of science and technology. tell me your science.
Antony-
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:16 AM, maina ndiritu <litshooz@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Mbayaki
First , Atheism is not simple , if it were … many people would be , I believe having faith or pretending to have… is simpler . I say simpler because it is a continuity of traditions .. where continuity is devoid of thinking … therefore those who dwell in traditions are given the opportunity not to think , Atheism demands that you more than think , it is a break within the set traditions , for the fainthearted … it is not , it is the ability to chart new roads , new maps , new traditions.
Morals are standards , we have to shed some of who we are to fit in the context of society (morally) standards are compromises , that which is acceptable by the majority , that which makes the majority comfortable . Atheism is not simple , it is a difficault path to run , it certainly is not the path for moralists , those who wish to have the status quo , Atheism is breaking new ground … where uncertainty lives , where outcomes are unknown , where the equations have any certain number of unknowns and outcomes .
Whether the universe has supernaturals in it or not is a matter that can only be addressed by your upbringing , the actuality of it , is … it is actually an unknown .
You believe it has through what you have been taught for no one ever comes to this world with any knowledge , it is acquired throughout life .
The set foundations of knowledge, traditions and morals guide you to whatever is it you believe in , your judgements are therefore conditioned to your upbringing and whatever your beliefs are … they cannot be wholly independent of such influences and as such you will have a bias towards that ,that makes you comfortable within the context of your conditioned reasoning .
Atheism is no excuse for anything , as far as history goes , religion has killed more people than all natural calamities put together, Atheism is even in danger of religion .
It is most disheartening for you to make statements as such , it reeks of intolerance and is without reason , you seek to disenfranchise them in favour of conformity and continuity , they are boundless and with spirit , am afraid yours is bound in religion and your God , it is hard to believe that such bondage exists in our time
Meanwhile .. you wait and look for Him sparingly , so sparing
maina ndiritu
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From: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com [mailto:mlalahoi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ANTONY MBAYAKI
Sent: 07 September 2010 22:03
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: There is nothing like Atheism
atheism simply means you want to live a life without moral standards in denial that there is something supernatural a bout this universe. Atheists are even more dangerous today than any other religion. they depict themselves as the referees of religions, the good boys and girls calling the religious backward, unreasoning, unphilosophical, primitive, fundamentalists, extremists etc. Atheism is an excuse to live a bad life hoping that God who sees what we do in the dark is not seing you.
like it or not test and see God it real. If you look for Him sparingly so sparing he will be if in arnest so will he come in haste and plenty.
Antony
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Onyango Oloo <onyango.oloo@gmail.com> wrote:
Reverend:
I was born as a brand new infant who could not tell the difference between Mathematics and multiple orgasms.
Why do you ask?
Incidentally, I am not that eager to be drawn into yet another inane tug of war between atheists and theists.
Onyango Oloo
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:48 PM, ndebele okoth <revgeorgeoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr Onyango Oloo, I never knew that you are an athiest. Were you born an atheist? Rev Okoth Otura
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