ORGANO GOLD COFFEE MILLIONAIRES IN KENYA: Re: SAGONGONYI

Korir....don't waste time arguing with Sago..
Sago only comments on this fora just but to defend Ruto...nothing more...

Mheshimiwa...

On 10/22/10, KENNEDY KORIR <korirken63@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sago,
> I hear you loud but not very clear, you must have heard the saying 2 wrongs
> do not make a right.
> So Ongeri stole the free primary funds, Wetangula stole in Tokyo and Abuja,
> Kimunya stole the Laico and Kiraitu drank the Triton Oil.
> According to you this gives Ruto every right to steal maize and parcels of
> land in Ngong.
> I do not see any other reason you have come to Ruto's defence other than the
> tribe
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ruto to face fraud charges, court rules
> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
> Cc: "Young Professionals" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>,
> africa-oped@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 5:53 AM
>
>
> @Kuria, all those reports you have mentioned are just that....reports.
> Some of them are political reports meant to smear other people's
> names. If you believe in most of them, you will be in for a rude
> shock. Let us not be too fast to drive our mouths into overdrive and
> say things that we may regret later. I know you are trying slight me
> with this std 8 talk but I will not bring myself to responding to
> such. I leave it to your consciense.
>
> @ Korir, Your opinion on my posting is as expected. Give me one
> sentence on my posting that made you jump to the conclusion that I am
> a Rutto supporter. On the other hand, why do you think it is wrong to
> be a Ruto supporter? how many other scandals are you aware of apart
> from Ruto's case? how many ministers are serving in the current gvt
> and we know that they have stolen? How many pretenders are baying for
> Kosgey's blood because he appointed one of his own yet they were
> silent when one of their own appointed someone from their community?
> Let me tell you something brother, the fight against corruption in
> Kenya does not exist.....it only exist on paper. Lumumba's postion is
> just a PR thing. Corruption does not mean the same thing to everybody
> if you get what i mean. Interpreting it depends on who you are and
> what powers you have. If you did not know that, start learning from
> today.
>
>
> On 10/19/10, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sagongonyi,
>> I hear on the first part of your arguement. Since we dont know what is the
>> motive, the best position is yours. Give
>> the fellow the benefit of time.
>>
>> On the last part, I would urge you to read UK and Ruto's lips and then
>> read
>> lips of those who compiled the KHRC reports among others. Also read Waki's
>> lips and the reports in the newspapers. If you dont have the KHRC report,
>> let me know and I will send it to you
>> kiprivate. You then know why Ruto and UK have tried to have their names
>> purged from the reports. I never said he will be taken to the Hague unless
>> your english teacher misled you. I said "hoping that he will not be
>> airlifted before then". The newspapers reports are written in black and
>> white and even somebody who flopped in class 8 and can read and tell you
>> who
>> are likely to be airlifted.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:34 AM, sagongonyi chemurwok
>> <chemurwok@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Kuria-Mwangi,
>>>
>>> I do not think Ruto's intention in this case was to delay justice but
>>> rather to seek justice. Our judicial system has a provision for one to
>>> seek justice by way of referencing his case to the constitutional
>>> courts. Our forefathers must have had a reason for provisioning that
>>> in our system. Ruto did not ask the constitutional judges to delay
>>> their judgement......they delayed because they are either incompetent
>>> or political. When one looks at the decision of these judges in Ruto's
>>> case, one wonders why it had to wait for all these years. The
>>> judgement looks too simple.... it does not make sense to me. Why are
>>> so many cases pending in courts? in my opinion, there is a lot to do
>>> with politics and incompetence or may be these guys are just too
>>> demoralized. I do not know what you meant with Ruto being airlifted
>>> before 2012, are you by any chance privy to Ocampo's docs? may be you
>>> can tell us more about who is on that list.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/18/10, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hi Mburi,
>>> > You are right about the judicial system. That need to be fixed.
>>> > Unfortunately we can only sympathize with Ruto. He cannot use the delay
>>> in
>>> > justice
>>> > as an argument unless the law has such provisions (as in the statue of
>>> > limitation-Sp). In this case, Ruto did what the politicians do, hide
>>> under
>>> > the constitutional interpretation in order to buy time and may be
>>> > escape
>>> > justice. If he really wanted this case concluded first, he should have
>>> gone
>>> > ahead and demand a quick settlement of the case. He took the longer
>>> > path
>>> and
>>> > should take the bite. He should avoid politicizing and demand that the
>>> case
>>> > be concluded as first as possible. Unfortunately that means that he
>>> > will
>>> be
>>> > required to step-aside. Another delay like the one he plans to have by
>>> way
>>> > of appealing will see the theft case hanging on his neck by 2012
>>> > (hoping
>>> > that he will not be airlifted before then).
>>> >
>>> > We can only pray for brother Bill for the tribulations to ease.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Eric Wabwaya Mburi
>>> > <ewabwaya@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Kuria,
>>> >> How are you keeping my bother?I hope well.I am reading alot of malice
>>> >> in
>>> >> this case of brother Hon Ruto Samoei.Since the year 2001 what have the
>>> >> honorable judges been waiting for to deliver such a verdict.?Anyone
>>> would
>>> >> read malice even if the case is water tight
>>> >> Ja'kamburi
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ------------------------------
>>> >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:38:34 -0400
>>> >>
>>> >> Subject: Ruto to face fraud charges, court rules
>>> >> From: kjmwangi@gmail.com
>>> >> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>>> >> CC: Youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com;
>>> >> africa-oped@yahoogroups.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Oh not another punch. What is happening to our brother in Christ? Is
>>> >> he
>>> >> being finished politically as he alleges or
>>> >> he is facing a bad luck after another. This is too much for our
>>> >> brother
>>> in
>>> >> Christ.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Higher Education minister William Ruto will face a Sh96m fraud case
>>> >> following a ruling by a constitutional court Friday.
>>> >> A three judge bench declined to grant Mr Ruto prayers in a case
>>> involving
>>> >> the sale of Ngong Forest land to the Kenya Pipeline Company nine years
>>> >> ago.
>>> >> Through his lawyer, Katwa Kigen, Mr Ruto said the case was meant to
>>> finish
>>> >> him politically, was discriminatory and constituted an infringement of
>>> his
>>> >> rights.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/1033706/-/11j4c3oz/-/index.html
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