Re: SAGONGONYI - 2 Wrongs to do not make a right

Korir,

 

I am responding to yours as an honest citizen and not Ruto supporter. Well, you are right, 2 wrongs don't make right but what we are saying is that the law should not be applied selectively, if he is found quilty, let him face the music!! so as all the others who were involved in various scams. It is easy to point fingers and thats why you can easily accuse Sago for defending Ruto because of his tribe without seeing the bigger picture!! There is a bigger political game played here and in Kenya, the powers that be can use the law to destroy careers of their opponents. This is something which has been used before and it can still be used now because the players are still the same. So there is a possiblity this may be the case with Ruto, given his position in the current politics.

 

Most of our current politicians are tainted and each and every one of them knows who did what, or who was involved in a corrupt deal!! so a dossier can easily be brought up on your face whenever you fell out with the system!! wait untill the government changes and you will see alot of skeletons being brought out to the open.

 

So whatever difference you might be having with Ruto is your own and I don't think it is payback time for you!! and don't rejoice when he is getting his ass cooked, he might just be let off the hook by the courts and you go back to live with you bitterness.

 

So lets

 

So I would suggest we leave the courts to play their role and either jail him or acquit him, whatever comes out of it should be respected by all now that we have a new dispensation.

 

Tallam.

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From: KENNEDY KORIR <korirken63@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 8:59:41 AM
Subject: SAGONGONYI - 2 Wrongs to do not make a right

Sago, I hear you loud but not very clear, you must have heard the saying 2 wrongs do not make a right. So Ongeri stole the free primary funds, Wetangula stole in Tokyo and Abuja, Kimunya stole the Laico and Kiraitu drank the Triton Oil. According to you this gives Ruto every right to steal maize and parcels of land in Ngong. I do not see any other reason you have come to Ruto's defence other than the tribe --- On Thu, 10/21/10, sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com> wrote: From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Ruto to face fraud charges, court rules To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com Cc: "Young Professionals" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>, africa-oped@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 5:53 AM @Kuria, all those reports you have mentioned are just that....reports. Some of them are political reports meant to smear other people's names. If you believe in most of them, you will be in for a rude shock. Let us not be too fast to drive our mouths into overdrive and say things that we may regret later. I know you are trying slight me with this std 8 talk but I will not bring myself to responding to such. I leave it to your consciense. @ Korir, Your opinion on my posting is as expected. Give me one sentence on my posting that made you jump to the conclusion that I am a Rutto supporter. On the other hand, why do you think it is wrong to be a Ruto supporter? how many other scandals are you aware of apart from Ruto's case? how many ministers are serving in the current gvt and we know that they have stolen? How many pretenders are baying for Kosgey's blood because he appointed one of his own yet they were silent when one of their own appointed someone from their community? Let me tell you something brother, the fight against corruption in Kenya does not exist.....it only exist on paper.  Lumumba's postion is just a PR thing. Corruption does not mean the same thing to everybody if you get what i mean. Interpreting it depends on who you are and what powers you have. If you did not know that, start learning from today. On 10/19/10, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote: > Sagongonyi, > I hear on the first part of your arguement. Since we dont know what is the > motive, the best position is yours. Give > the fellow the benefit of time. > > On the last part, I would urge you to read UK and Ruto's lips and then read > lips of those who compiled the KHRC reports among others. Also read Waki's > lips and the reports in the newspapers. If you dont have the KHRC report, > let me know and I will send it to you > kiprivate. You then know why Ruto and UK have tried to have their names > purged from the reports. I never said he will be taken to the Hague unless > your english teacher misled you. I said "hoping that he will not be > airlifted before then".  The newspapers reports are written in black and > white and even somebody who flopped in class 8 and can read and tell you who > are likely to be airlifted. > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:34 AM, sagongonyi chemurwok > <chemurwok@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Kuria-Mwangi, >> >> I do not think Ruto's intention in this case was to delay justice but >> rather to seek justice. Our judicial system has a provision for one to >> seek justice by way of referencing his case to the constitutional >> courts. Our forefathers must have had a reason for provisioning that >> in our system. Ruto did not ask the constitutional judges to delay >> their judgement......they delayed because they are either incompetent >> or political. When one looks at the decision of these judges in Ruto's >> case, one wonders why it had to wait for all these years. The >> judgement looks too simple.... it does not make sense to me. Why are >> so many cases pending in courts? in my opinion, there is a lot to do >> with politics and incompetence or may be these guys are just too >> demoralized. I do not know what you meant with Ruto being airlifted >> before 2012, are you by any chance privy to Ocampo's docs? may be you >> can tell us more about who is on that list. >> >> >> On 10/18/10, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi Mburi, >> > You are right about the judicial system. That need to be fixed. >> > Unfortunately we can only sympathize with Ruto. He cannot use the delay >> in >> > justice >> > as an argument unless the law has such provisions (as in the statue of >> > limitation-Sp). In this case, Ruto did what the politicians do, hide >> under >> > the constitutional interpretation in order to buy time and may be escape >> > justice. If he really wanted this case concluded first, he should have >> gone >> > ahead and demand a quick settlement of the case. He took the longer path >> and >> > should take the bite. He should avoid politicizing and demand that the >> case >> > be concluded as first as possible. Unfortunately that means that he will >> be >> > required to step-aside. Another delay like the one he plans to have by >> way >> > of appealing will see the theft case hanging on his neck by 2012 (hoping >> > that he will not be airlifted before then). >> > >> > We can only pray for brother Bill for the tribulations to ease. >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Eric Wabwaya Mburi >> > <ewabwaya@hotmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Kuria, >> >> How are you keeping my bother?I hope well.I am reading alot of malice >> >> in >> >> this case of brother Hon Ruto Samoei.Since the year 2001 what have the >> >> honorable judges been waiting for to deliver such a verdict.?Anyone >> would >> >> read malice even if the case is water tight >> >> Ja'kamburi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:38:34 -0400 >> >> >> >> Subject: Ruto to face fraud charges, court rules >> >> From: kjmwangi@gmail.com >> >> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com >> >> CC: Youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com; africa-oped@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh not another punch. What is happening to our brother in Christ? Is he >> >> being finished politically as he alleges or >> >> he is facing a bad luck after another. This is too much for our brother >> in >> >> Christ. >> >> >> >> >> >> Higher Education minister William Ruto will face a Sh96m fraud case >> >> following a ruling by a constitutional court Friday. >> >> A three judge bench declined to grant Mr Ruto prayers in a case >> involving >> >> the sale of Ngong Forest land to the Kenya Pipeline Company nine years >> >> ago. >> >> Through his lawyer, Katwa Kigen, Mr Ruto said the case was meant to >> finish >> >> him politically, was discriminatory and constituted an infringement of >> his >> >> rights. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/1033706/-/11j4c3oz/-/index.html >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.kuria-mwangi.blogspot.com/ >> >> http://www.facebook.com/kjmwangi >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> TO ADVERTISE HERE, SEND KSH 500 to +254 726 034 530 >> >> >> >> NEXT SOCIAL MEETUP http://on.fb.me/dafJDE >> >> >> >> TECHMTAA BLOG: http://www.techmtaa.com/ >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, Email >> >> mlalahoi+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mlalahoi%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com> >> <mlalahoi%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mlalahoi%252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com> >> > >> >> >> >> Websites for Ksh 10,000? 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