Abu Ayman
From: "Adagi, Nelson /BDF NBO" <Nelson.Adagi@Beiersdorf.com>
To: "mlalahoi@googlegroups.com" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 8:55:09 AM
Subject: RE: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists Propagandist (This is XENOPHOBIC BULLSHIT)
Salah or Sheikh
There are different types of Laws. Their is my law and the law of the state which is supreme. The law of the state says everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But my law makes an exception and goes ahead to say that a suspected terrorists are guilty until proven innocent. Now Salah do you see the spirit of "my" Law.
Now key to note it's only Papa Likondi who associates Islam with terrorism and for that you can not blame him. But the question here is why would YOU think that when we say "suspected terrorist " we are referring to Islam . I think this is absurd but again I will not blame you.
Now most terrorists have always hidden behind Islam and when they kill innocent civilians they call it Jihad. Salah does Islam say that Jihad is about bombing some innocent civilians?
Back to Amin why does he always appear when it's a terrorist rights Violation. This the exact reason why I also have my own laws. People like Amin use the human rights shield in the supreme law to shield the real culprits of Human right violations.
So Salah since you are brainwashed to believe that terrorists are Muslims I am sure you can never understand this particular clause in "My Laws"
cheers
Adagi Nelson Mbajah
From: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com [mailto:mlalahoi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Salah Sheikh
Sent: 30 September 2010 09:59
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists Propagandist (This is XENOPHOBIC BULLSHIT)
Adagi, Alai, and the Xenophobes,
Your problem is not terrorists, your problem is Islam, period. The fact that Al-Amin is a high profile non-Somali-Arab-Indian-Muslim is what is bugging you. Your project is to scare the the Kenyan population and try to halt the influence of Muslims in Kenya.
The law says a suspect is innocent unless proven guilty in a court of law properly constituted. Again the yardstick of guilt for a crime is beyond reasonable doubt. Not applying this bars built into all laws smacks of xenophobia, discrimination, baseless, hatred, niggardliness with the law and utter stupidity. There is no debate here because debate can only exist where there is an issue to be debated, here the law of the land is clear and precise. What you are trying to convince is not only justification for breaking the law but utter disregard for the very existence of Kenya as state; it is seditious.
From: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:17:50 AM
Subject: Re: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists Propagandist (This is XENOPHOBIC BULLSHIT)
Adagi
Those people you are calling suspect 'terrorists' according to the law THEY ARE DEEMED INNOCENT, it is only the courts which could conclude that they are guilty and therefore terrorists. Before this, they should be treated like any other citizens and their rights- according to the constitution-should not be violated as the case has happened.
Perhaps to remind you or to inform you if you were not aware, Kenyatta and Mandela they were not laballed suspected terrorists but TERRORISTS and had their rights violated. Going by yr comments, you will subscribe to the idea that these two great men were terrorists!!!
Abu Ayman
From: "Adagi, Nelson /BDF NBO" <Nelson.Adagi@Beiersdorf.com>
To: "mlalahoi@googlegroups.com" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 10:45:40 AM
Subject: RE: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists Propagandist (This is XENOPHOBIC BULLSHIT)
Sheikh
Robert is right "full stop" kimathi is not the only Kenyan who advocates for respect of the Kenyan LAW and Constitution.
But he advocates for suspected terrorists. Sheikh to most of us a suspected terrorist is Guilty and he proves himself innocent.
So your intelligent Hogwash of using the law to protect "Suspected Terrorists" will never hold water. Kimathi should be held in Uganda until he vows never to advocate for "suspected terrorists" and puts it in writing
My 10 cents
Adagi Nelson Mbajah
From: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com [mailto:mlalahoi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Salah Sheikh
Sent: 25 September 2010 16:00
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists Propagandist (This is XENOPHOBIC BULLSHIT)
Robert Alai;
This is xenophobic bullshit without an iota truth. Your reasoning is warped and without regard to either law or equity. Just because someone is vocal does not mean he supports a particular action. Unlike the "security forces" whose idea of investigation is to rendition people to Ethiopia and then release them without charge after 8 months, Kimathi has always advocated for respect of the Kenyan LAW and Constitution.
Respect for law and constitution is imperative for all the citizens if not let everyone take the matter to his own hands and the ensuing chaos will be detrimental to all of us. Let everyone respect the LAW otherwise lets remove it and do as we wish.
Over to you.
From: Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com>
To: L. Muthoni Wanyeki <wanyeki@iconnect.co.ke>; nyciv@googlegroups.com; bidiiafricaint <bidiiafricaINT@googlegroups.com>; ">" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 7:58:05 AM
Subject: Charging of Al Amin Kimathi - I believe he is a terrorists Propagandist
Security matters should be left to the security bodies. I believe and suspect that Al Amin Kimathi supports and talks for terrorists. Al Amin is very vocal when suspected terrorists are arrested but never vocal when ordinary muslims are arrested. I believe that Al Amin Kimathi is a spokesman for Al-Qaeda and he should be ready to clear his name in a court of law.
His behaviour at the demo to support Al-Faisal reinforced my view. Our security iss more important than the rights of a few fundamentalists be they Christians, Budhists, Muslims or Atheists
Robert Alai
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, L. Muthoni Wanyeki <wanyeki@iconnect.co.ke> wrote:
FYI…the joint CS and KNCHR statement on the charging of Al Amin Kimathi
in Uganda released Wednesday morning in the presence of his wife,
who still hasn't been able to communicate with him.
NB: please note that this is a corrected version of what was released (small edits, with the names of the organisations who came, which weren't on the one that the media received). Please note too that anybody who received the first corrected version last evening should use this version instead. Primarily because I'd erroneously included HRW on the list of organisations who came, which I shouldn't have as everything released in their name has to go through its internal process first. So HRW was present, its own statement was given as part of the documentation, but it did not sign onto this one.
Update: The charges are as
per the charge sheets of the other 37 suspects, involving acts of terror
resulting in the deaths of 70 persons ie. he stands accused of
involvement in the July 11 bombings.
Of the 38 suspects, 13 are Kenyan and, of those, 9 were illegally
renditioned for purposes of this trial (when legal extradiction was an
option and a fairly standard procedure, which the Government of Tanzania
has followed in respect of Tanzanian suspects, for example). Two of the
wives of the nine were also present at the press conference.
As previously mentioned, there are a number of organizations following
up on different aspects: a) ensuring continued monitoring of the trials
of the Kenyan suspects; b) strengthening the legal defense for and
possibly mounting a legal challenge to Al Amin's charging given his HRD
status; c) trying to raise and get his case addressed politically, again
given his HRD status. If anybody not already engaged wants to help on
any of those aspects, please let Hassan Omar of the KNCHR:
homar@knchr.org <mailto:homar@knchr.org> or myself know.
Asante!
Muthoni.
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