HIV/AIDS is a disease,Gaysm/Lesbianism is a behaviour and the difference is very clear , there is no way you can draw anology between the two.Solution to a bad behaviour is condemnation followed by counseling.That is, we condemn the behaviour but counsel the victims.
AM.
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Rose Kagwiria <ikirimakagwiria@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kombo
You have given us only one solution. All the others are condemnations and insults. I think Mr Kombo dont be carried by what people say because i know you are intelligent. One day you say this and another day that. What i was expecting from you as one of the leaders of VVM is to tell me we start educating the youth on dangers of hormos, lesbians, and prostitution. We should also show kindness to the affected by allowing them go for counseling so that causes and solution can be found for their behavior. What you are doing today is what people used to do to HIV people and this made it spread very fast because infected people went into hiding and did what they did behind the curtains with bitterness. This was one of the reasons why HIV spread so fast. Today now that people accepted them and showed them love, they are now living positively with no bitterness, they have managed to educate their children and feed them. Imagine if this was not take care of how many orphans we could be having today. This did not come so easily. It came with establishment of VCT and free ART. This did not mean people concerned were encouraging people to be HIV positive but it was a solution to the people who had become stigmatized. In addition, it started eating even those people who thought they were untouchables
Let me tell you guys as you are throwing the stone to that prostitute in the bible, remember if you are not infected, you are affected. It is because we are affected, this is why we are looking for solution in this forum.
We may think we are angels but remember " what you do to those little ones of mine you have done unto me". I remember sometimes back, two daughters of a pastor became pregnant at the same time and this pastor could not believe how they had let him down because he was always telling youth that getting pregnant out of wedlock is a sin and there he was with 2 sinners in his own house. I am not praying for any of us, our children, relatives or friends to be infected with these problems but guys lets look for SOLUTION.
From: Elijah Kombo <komboelijah@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 2:58:09 PM
Subject: Re: E. Murugi's unconstitutional Remark on Gays/Lesbians
SOLUTIONS:
1.We should condemn gays, lesbians and prostitution in the strongest terms possible!
2. They do not have rights as their activities should be declared illegal and against the African culture and practices, as well as religion.
3. Minister Murugi should keep her mouth shut and instead re-settle the IDPs as opposed to dancing with homos in a predomintnaly Muslim environment. Her statements are rechless.
4. The African society should neever accept such practices. Let evil not be recognized and encouraged in our midst.
I challenge gays and lesbians in this forum to send their names and declare their sex orientation. I ma produ to declare mine as MALE.
Regards
Kombo Elijah
From: Rose Kagwiria <ikirimakagwiria@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 12:36:44 AM
Subject: Re: E. Murugi's unconstitutional Remark on Gays/Lesbians
Killion and others
I think non of us is understanding the issue in question. The main problem is that people wanted Minister to be sucked from her job because she said these guys should be accepted in our society but she never said it should be promoted. I expect different arguments depending on how you interpret it. Whichever the case, we all know the practice of hormo, lesbians, and prostitution is not acceptable in most communities. Despite all the knowledge we have, they still practice it. Challenge to you who are against the minister. What is your solution? Do we kill them, take them to prison or what do you want minister Murugi to do or what were you expecting her to say. PLEASE OFFER SOLUTIONS THAN accusations .
From: killion ooko nyamwanga <killionooko@yahoo.co.uk>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 6:56:14 PM
Subject: Re: E. Murugi's unconstitutional Remark on Gays/Lesbians
--Omondi/Ayuaya
As much as we read postings, I was dismayed by what Atiang posted. Who said that life is ours? No it is not. I am shocked that we can still start questioning the order of nature by pretending to having human rights, we are dead wrong. Changing the order of nature that God created?
Anybody who has watched very closely and I stand to be corrected from this forum. Do we really know what God is doing at present? No we dont. But do we see signs that God does the opposite for wrongs? Yes.
Now the point is for those who think that Western cultures is the best, they have been seeing fire. In Africa for instance, do we have Earrthquakes? No we dont, The same cultures that we praise more than Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, are being shown signs that an intelligent mind will read with the signs.
How many people get killed in Africa due to arms trade from these holier than though praised and other anti social behaviours? Many in humdreds. Now what does God do? The answer is simple.Here it goes- Because your are selling arms and giving anti-social behaviour to my black race, I will in turn give you devastating circumstances that are far beyond your ability to cope with and I will take as thrice as many souls that your arms is killing in my continent Africa. These are the happenings that we see daily people getting killed with natural disasters from copuntries that are seelling arms to used in killing Africans. Most notable are the Western block whose anti social cultures are being aped here in Kenya blindly.Jakasrime KosokoN'djamenaChad
From: omondi omondi <omondiomondi4no@gmail.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 4 October, 2010 3:52:29
Subject: Re: E. Murugi's unconstitutional Remark on Gays/Lesbians
Dear Ayuaya,I appreciate your swift intervention on this.Thanks for educating this few individuals who condone what will start to cause earthquakes and katrina's.i am not commenting anymore but its a big NO.Omondi Omondi.--
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Ayuaya Masira <ayuayah2006@yahoo.com> wrote:
Atiang, I can see you believe on rights of individuals to free choice and we should not question for God should be the only judge.Please enlighten me:If a young man came today to your home and asked for your 1yr old daughter`s hand in marriage- will you agree? If not y and it is his choice and free will?If another man also came and said he wants to wed your goat - would you bless them? If not , y and it his free choice?We cannot just change and embrace homosexuality just because we are leaving in the 21st century.We need to protect our moral standing in the society.Individual rights only come in if it does not affect the normal social standing of the rest.Otherwise, we would by now allowed the mentally derailed to continue with the social misfits without raising a finger for that is what they like and therefore their individual right.Homosexuals and the mentally challenged are grouped in the same category.They need our guidance even when it is infringing on their rights.We should be praying for them to change their weird sexual orientation instead of embracing them.Ayuaya MasiraShanghai China.
--- On Sun, 10/3/10, atiangrombo@yahoo.com <atiangrombo@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: atiangrombo@yahoo.com <atiangrombo@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: E. Murugi's unconstitutional Remark on Gays/Lesbians
To: "mlalahoi@googlegroups.com" <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 5:03 PM
I don't understand what problem it is if people choose to be gay! How does it affect the rest? And while gay marriages may not be allowed it doesn't mean gay people have no rights to association. Murugis remarks are true. Gays too are humans and ought to be left alone. Even animals have rights in these modern days. Don't forget a century ago there were people who thought Africans (blacks) were inferior and could not have equal rights like the whites! Others think Luos should not be president merely because they are not circumcised! Its this type of intolerant thinking that we ought to avoid. If someone chooses to be gay so be it, its their lives. Who are we to judge them? Next you will say all short men should be shot, then all Arsenal fans be exterminated etc! Its a free life. If one wants to worship a stone let him be. If one wants to be gay, let him/she be! God will be the judge.
-----Original Message-----
From: Elijah Kombo
Sent: 02-10-2010 10:25:27 am
Subject: E. Murugi's unconstitutional Remark on Gays/Lesbians
'We need to learn to live with men who have sex with other men..we are in the
21st century and things have changed'. That was the statement by Minister Esther
Murugu - Special Programmes to a seminar for homesexuals, lesbians and sex
workers.
The current constitution outlaws gays/Lesbina marriages and as well it has
(not?) legalised prostitution. But the new bill of rights contains clauses
outlawing discrimination on nay grounds, including race and gender. Conservative
Kenyans complianed that the contentious clause would pave the way for gay
marriage.
Achbishop Desmond Tutu attacked the African clergy for clsoing doors for Gays
and Lesbians. In particular, Tutu asked the Kenyan clergy to allow Gay/Lesbian
to access to facilities like health, counselling and more so provide love.
Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender and Intersex (LGBIT) together with the KNHRC
organized the first publc gathering of the Gays and Lesbians applauding the CoE
for inclusion of their rights in the constitution.
Should President Kibaki and Raila Odinga then take action against Esther Murugi
as per the Sheikh Mohmaed Khalifa of the Council of Imams and Preachers of
Kenya?
Kombo Elijah
Kombo Elijah
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