Dear Barrack and all,
I think we are missing the mark big time. Let us consider a few things. The law allows for dual citizenship, you can be one, but the law tries to protect Kenyan interest by making certain restrictions.
Let me pose the following questions, can we have a President who swears allegiance to 2, 3 or 5 diifferent countries? Why would this be tragic? Suppose Kenyans security is threatened to the extent the President needs to declare war, he happens to hold dual citizenship of the aggressing country, what happens?
We have seen people fighting extradition when they have committed crimes at home, Deya has been fighting the same in the USA for stealing and selling Kenyan children in the USA. The govt of Kenya has requested his extradition, suppose he had Amertican citizenship and denounced his Kenyan one, do you think he will ever face charges for stealing innocent children back in Kenya? Your bet is as good as mine, America will say he is American and cannot be extradited.
Perharps what we should be debating is what extent should the restricctions apply. There is no way the President, Prime Minister, Vice President and other public officers who take oaths swear allegiance to 2 or 3 different countries to safeguard constitutions of such countries, a conflict will arise.
Let us not narrow this debate to one or two people and become personal with and and not rational and look at the wider picture. Let us look at the interest of Kenya first if we are genuine and not individual interests,the law is made for the good of society, the common good and not individual good.
Otieno Sungu.
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Bwana Oduor
Here you go
I gues we did not read section 78(2) carefully (See below). Many other sections are still go to bite. Please jregister as a member of Kenya global unity (www. kenyaglobalunity.com)
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Citizenship and leadership
78. (1) A person is not eligible for election or appointment to a State office unless
the person is a citizen of Kenya.
(2) A State officer or a member of the defence forces shall not hold dual
citizenship.
(3) Clauses (1) and (2) do not apply to—
(a) judges and members of commissions; or
(b) any person who has been made a citizen of another country by
operation of that country's law, without ability to opt out.
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Dr Abonyo,
It's not the constitution itself, it's the interpretation at the Regulation stage that is proving to be contentious.
The constitution simply states that occupants of State Offices must be citizens of Kenya, and nothing else. The exclusion of dual citizens from the civil service is a creation of some minds at the Regulation stage. We just have to advocate against it.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice,
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Thuon wuod Ugenya-Ukwala
It's not the constitution itself, it's the interpretation at the Regulation stage that is proving to be contentious.
The constitution simply states that occupants of State Offices must be citizens of Kenya, and nothing else. The exclusion of dual citizens from the civil service is a creation of some minds at the Regulation stage. We just have to advocate against it.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice,
Owadg'Atieno ma yuor Atieno
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Well well, the constitution miss ups is starting to show its ugly side. The fact of the matter is that we did not read the document thoroughly. Now it will start to bite and an elaborate process will be required to change anything.
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Subject: [africa-oped] Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
Jagem,
The constitution says that holders of State Offices must be Kenyan citizens. The same constitution also allows for dual citizenship.
I worked very hard to get my Canadian citizenship and I am not willing to give it up.
Jagem, if it's true the dual citizens are not allowed to occupy State Offices, then we should stop sending any money home; we should also withdraw our memberships from any Kenyan-based organization. There is no point for me to belong to a movement in Kenya if Kenya does not simply accept me as a citizen.
Thank God the truth of how things are is now coming out. I am resigning from all Kenyan-based organizations as of now and this mail should serve as a notice. Why bother? I will concentrate my efforts on private business as someone suggested here a few days ago.
No more Maurice J Oduor in politically related activities. I just want to apologize to all my colleagues in various movements. I am out and I wish them luck in transforming Kenya.
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Oduor Maurice
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The constitution says that holders of State Offices must be Kenyan citizens. The same constitution also allows for dual citizenship.
I worked very hard to get my Canadian citizenship and I am not willing to give it up.
Jagem, if it's true the dual citizens are not allowed to occupy State Offices, then we should stop sending any money home; we should also withdraw our memberships from any Kenyan-based organization. There is no point for me to belong to a movement in Kenya if Kenya does not simply accept me as a citizen.
Thank God the truth of how things are is now coming out. I am resigning from all Kenyan-based organizations as of now and this mail should serve as a notice. Why bother? I will concentrate my efforts on private business as someone suggested here a few days ago.
No more Maurice J Oduor in politically related activities. I just want to apologize to all my colleagues in various movements. I am out and I wish them luck in transforming Kenya.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice
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Subject: Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
Otieno Sungu
Stop bringing public Office tribalism here. What does the constitution say? Does it demand that someone holding Dual Citizenship cannot hold public office? If not then why are you already "Bagua-ring" them. You must already know, by now, that the "Ndiasipora" (Diaspora) people hold a abig of clout, as their Constituency is the single biggest Forein revenue earner to the Kenyan Government. Usiwabague mapema hivyo!! Ama???
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Njoroge,
Good question you ask here, why would we want foreignors to hold public office? Or, why would we want people who may ran away after commiting economic crimes because they have other nationalities?
If you want to hold public position, be loyal, first denounce your dual citizenship and come back and contest, that way, you owe unquestionable loyalty to Kenyan and the Kenyan people.
We do not want to play polygamy with political office. Othewise, remain a private citizen and enjoy even tripple citizenship is that helps your business and investments. Imagine if one is to negotiate a deal for us with a foreign government where they also hold citizenship? Isn't this a case of conflict of interest? Which side will he get the best deal for? Who will they be loyal to?
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Jambo all,
I do not see a problem with this provision. Holding a public position is such a sacred privilege and needs to be by persons of impeccable loyalty! Moreover, this provision was as is the entire period we conducted extensive constitutional debate on this fora; therefore I do not understand why people are sulking over it now. Why would anyone want to serve to publics?
The principle behind Dual Citizenship is to allow Kenya nationals resident in other countries to access opportunities that they would otherwise not access in those countries by virtue of them being non-citizens and still retain their Kenyan citizenship with all benefits and rights safe for right to be elected or appointed into public service.
Unless there is something I am not seeing in the bigger picture, I see nothing wrong.
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This may mean that my Canadian citizenship has to go, something I worked so hard to acquire. Life sure sucks.
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I do not see a problem with this provision. Holding a public position is such a sacred privilege and needs to be by persons of impeccable loyalty! Moreover, this provision was as is the entire period we conducted extensive constitutional debate on this fora; therefore I do not understand why people are sulking over it now. Why would anyone want to serve to publics?
The principle behind Dual Citizenship is to allow Kenya nationals resident in other countries to access opportunities that they would otherwise not access in those countries by virtue of them being non-citizens and still retain their Kenyan citizenship with all benefits and rights safe for right to be elected or appointed into public service.
Unless there is something I am not seeing in the bigger picture, I see nothing wrong.
Njoroge Waithera.
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Subject: Restrictions on dual citizenship
From the Constitution:
Citizenship and leadership
78. (1) A person is not eligible for election or appointment to a State office
unless the person is a citizen of Kenya.
(2) A State officer or a member of the defence forces shall not hold dual
citizenship.
(3) Clauses (1) and (2) do not apply to—
(a) judges and members of commissions; or
(b) any person who has been made a citizen of another country by
operation of that country's law, without ability to opt out.
Further to 3, consolation is that Councillors are not state officers so dual citizens can gun for these elective posts if Parliament legislates to have them.
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