Paul Nyadoto gets it wrong atleast for the third time in a row. British did not build Kenyan more than Kenyans. They were colonialist! Paul Nyadoto doesnt understand that the Kenyans were given to man eaters inTsavo, tied and beaten. How can he say that British built Kenya more than Kenyans? Its like saying Dr Living stone doscovered Mt Kenya when we had Kenyan living in the region.
I agree that the DIASPORA must be given a chance in nation building and they are doing so. They bring to Kenya million of funds for nation building. But we cannot risk the country again and again - and for the time now we havent reached at a level to trust the institution that issue citizenship. Until we reach the level; of Canada etc, we must appreciate that we are at a point Kenya is changing.
I think there are some roles that dual citizen can hold. They have helped KENYA ths far and cannot be treated as second class citizens. Kenya does not have the capacity of checking out on these dualism. I think it makes sense to have one denounce the secondary citizenship to gun for Presidency and other public political offices.
Probably we should fear sonce global war against terrorism and money laundering is being enhanced and therefore countries will have security linkages to prosecute anyone who will break laws of different countries and runs to another for protection
Regards
Kombo Elijah
From: "mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca" <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca>
To: Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; ogallo1@msn.com
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 5:33:57 AM
Subject: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeedforpublic office and county loyalty!!!
Dr. Nyandoto,
I agree with you fully but I am afraud I am suspecting a slight hand of subliminal jealousy at play on this misguided policy.
Canada has no problem with this. We have cabinet ministers, PS-level officers, etc that hold dual or even multiple citizenships. This has never been a problem. Why it would be a problem in kenya is beyond me.
May be Kenya is just desinef to remain the way it is for another few generations.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice,
Owadg'Atieno ma yuor Atieno
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From: "Paul Nyandoto" <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 05:05:00 +0300
To: <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>; <ogallo1@msn.com>; <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed forpublic office and county loyalty!!!
DO NOT GIVE UP. THE CONSTITUTION HAS A LOT OF JOINTS TO BE TREATED. WE NEED ALL KENYANS TO PARTICIPATE IN BUILDING KENYA: The British built Kenya more than the real Kenyans who have been in power since 1963. Even the present railway was built by the British. If we leave Kenya to only the so called real Kenyans it will sink and fail. In constitution making there were cowards who fear competition period!!. All Diaspora with dual citizenship should just join hands and fight back, We should demand also a post in that parliament. A lot of money are being poured to Kenya by Diaspora that their voices must be heard in decision makings. Ghana is doing a lot much better than Kenya with their diaspora. It is an industry that only fools do not see.
Paul Nyandoto
>>> 10/24/10 3:34 PM >>>
Paul,
If the opinion that those of us who have dual citizenships can not hold State Offices, then we should withdraw from all Kenyan based organizations, movements and political parties.
There is no point to be part of something that treats us as second-class citizens. We should not even bother soliciting development funds from donors. Let the real Kenyans solve their own problems.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice
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From: "Paul Nyandoto" <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>
Sender: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 06:44:43 +0300
To: <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>; <ogallo1@msn.com>
ReplyTo: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
Any element( I mean human being not Mendeliev`s table of elements) chosen to hold any public office like presidency will have to hold a bible before he is sworn in office. By that he promises to rule by constitution of that state and follow the law. So whether he has 10 citizenships or let say only 2 citizenships so long as he is a president of a country he will rule by the law of that country and serve the interest of that country if not then what are the functions of courts and jails in any country?. A kenyan born holding a Kenyan passport should not be discriminated by the Kenyan law. How will somebody be free to develope his country or even invest into a system discriminating him or her?. Slaves used to do so for along time until they revolted and now we see their descedants free and are now sleeping in the white house( which was built by slaves without salary, what a justice?).
I do stand by my fellow Kenyans who are in the diaspora holding other passports that it is their birth right to hold any office in their mother land including the presidency. The new constitution was passed because people have waited millions of years for it and we have no extra time to lose again. But the constitution have to be remodled and mented to include everybody. The reasoning of finding it hard to know which country to serve best when holding a public office does not hold water not even truth. There are laws to be served and that is what should be followed. We have seen Grand regency hotel sold to arabs by the so called real Kenyans even if they do not hold Libyian passports. Kenyan land have sold to foreigners by the so called real Kenyans with only Kenyan passports. They have done it even in Japan so guys lets take care. whoever wants to be the president or hold other public office have to serve Kenya with the best interest. By the way who have sold all the good coastal lands of kenya to foreigners do they hold foreign passports I doubt it. Real Kenyans ( as they call themselves) will even sell all oil land to foreigners if Kenya happens to discover any oil. It happened in Nigeria, angola, gabon etc. So what will prevent it not to happen in kenya?.
Paul Nyandoto
>>> HELLON OGALLO 10/22/10 7:53 PM >>>
While you are right as far as the central government is concerned, the same restrictions should not be applicable to the county government. In the United States for example the States, the Counties and the various City governments allow employment of green card holders who are essentially non citizens.
Hellon
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:41:34 -0700
From: sunoti@yahoo.com
Subject: Restrictions on dual citizenship-Very good indeed for public office and county loyalty!!!
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Njoroge,
Good question you ask here, why would we want foreignors to hold public office? Or, why would we want people who may ran away after commiting economic crimes because they have other nationalities?
If you want to hold public position, be loyal, first denounce your dual citizenship and come back and contest, that way, you owe unquestionable loyalty to Kenyan and the Kenyan people.
We do not want to play polygamy with political office. Othewise, remain a private citizen and enjoy even tripple citizenship is that helps your business and investments. Imagine if one is to negotiate a deal for us with a foreign government where they also hold citizenship? Isn't this a case of conflict of interest? Which side will he get the best deal for? Who will they be loyal to?
Otieno sungu
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