ORGANO GOLD COFFEE MILLIONAIRES IN KENYA: Re: SAGONGONYI

Kennedy, you do not get it and you will never get it. Mr. hardworker,
I am very fortunate that my children will never come near you. You
always go hyper when someone from your community is being bashed and I
think it is for a particular reason. How come you are not lynching
Wetangula with the same gusto you have been doing to Rutto? you always
read postings upside down and before you are through with it you are
branding people someone's supporter. What you are quoting from me is a
general statement on the kind of behaviour that goes on in Kenya today
and especially in the high places. You behave as if you are from mars.
Grow up ndugu.

On 10/23/10, KENNEDY KORIR <korirken63@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "In Kenya, there is no corruption ndugu, they
> call it OPPORTUNITY. When I am blessed to be in the right place at the
> right time and i take advantage of my opportunity, why should you feel
> jealousy? Nowadays they even say 2 rights may be equal to a wrong."
>
> My fear Sago is with what you do now and the opportuinities that you have
> taken advantage of; I will never feel jealous, for assuming that you steal
> or "take advantage"and you are not caught the fact remains that you are a
> thief and you will live with it for the rest of your life.
> I pray that your children will never listen to you I hope though that I
> would have an opportuinity of teaching the virtues of HARDWORK
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: SAGONGONYI - 2 Wrongs to do not make a right
> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:29 PM
>
>
> Korii, you are trying to ask and answer your own question. I am
> defending Ruto's right to be heard in a constitutional court. There
> are those like you who claim he was doing it with the intention of
> dragging the case. Just re-read my lines on Rutto again.
>
> On 2 wrongs do not make a right, you may be referring to what i raised
> when it came to Henry's appointment of his kinsman, Kosgey. That
> saying only applies depending on your standing in the society......it
> is never meant to be read and understood plainly the way you are
> doing. It was also never meant to be a universal rule brother,
> especially here in Kenya. In Kenya, there is no corruption ndugu, they
> call it OPPORTUNITY. When I am blessed to be in the right place at the
> right time and i take advantage of my opportunity, why should you feel
> jealousy? Nowadays they even say 2 rights may be equal to a wrong.
>
> On 10/22/10, KENNEDY KORIR <korirken63@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Sago,
>> I hear you loud but not very clear, you must have heard the saying 2
>> wrongs
>> do not make a right.
>> So Ongeri stole the free primary funds, Wetangula stole in Tokyo and
>> Abuja,
>> Kimunya stole the Laico and Kiraitu drank the Triton Oil.
>> According to you this gives Ruto every right to steal maize and parcels of
>> land in Ngong.
>> I do not see any other reason you have come to Ruto's defence other than
>> the
>> tribe
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Ruto to face fraud charges, court rules
>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: "Young Professionals" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>,
>> africa-oped@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 5:53 AM
>>
>>
>> @Kuria, all those reports you have mentioned are just that....reports.
>> Some of them are political reports meant to smear other people's
>> names. If you believe in most of them, you will be in for a rude
>> shock. Let us not be too fast to drive our mouths into overdrive and
>> say things that we may regret later. I know you are trying slight me
>> with this std 8 talk but I will not bring myself to responding to
>> such. I leave it to your consciense.
>>
>> @ Korir, Your opinion on my posting is as expected. Give me one
>> sentence on my posting that made you jump to the conclusion that I am
>> a Rutto supporter. On the other hand, why do you think it is wrong to
>> be a Ruto supporter? how many other scandals are you aware of apart
>> from Ruto's case? how many ministers are serving in the current gvt
>> and we know that they have stolen? How many pretenders are baying for
>> Kosgey's blood because he appointed one of his own yet they were
>> silent when one of their own appointed someone from their community?
>> Let me tell you something brother, the fight against corruption in
>> Kenya does not exist.....it only exist on paper. Lumumba's postion is
>> just a PR thing. Corruption does not mean the same thing to everybody
>> if you get what i mean. Interpreting it depends on who you are and
>> what powers you have. If you did not know that, start learning from
>> today.
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/10, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sagongonyi,
>>> I hear on the first part of your arguement. Since we dont know what is
>>> the
>>> motive, the best position is yours. Give
>>> the fellow the benefit of time.
>>>
>>> On the last part, I would urge you to read UK and Ruto's lips and then
>>> read
>>> lips of those who compiled the KHRC reports among others. Also read
>>> Waki's
>>> lips and the reports in the newspapers. If you dont have the KHRC report,
>>> let me know and I will send it to you
>>> kiprivate. You then know why Ruto and UK have tried to have their names
>>> purged from the reports. I never said he will be taken to the Hague
>>> unless
>>> your english teacher misled you. I said "hoping that he will not be
>>> airlifted before then". The newspapers reports are written in black and
>>> white and even somebody who flopped in class 8 and can read and tell you
>>> who
>>> are likely to be airlifted.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:34 AM, sagongonyi chemurwok
>>> <chemurwok@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kuria-Mwangi,
>>>>
>>>> I do not think Ruto's intention in this case was to delay justice but
>>>> rather to seek justice. Our judicial system has a provision for one to
>>>> seek justice by way of referencing his case to the constitutional
>>>> courts. Our forefathers must have had a reason for provisioning that
>>>> in our system. Ruto did not ask the constitutional judges to delay
>>>> their judgement......they delayed because they are either incompetent
>>>> or political. When one looks at the decision of these judges in Ruto's
>>>> case, one wonders why it had to wait for all these years. The
>>>> judgement looks too simple.... it does not make sense to me. Why are
>>>> so many cases pending in courts? in my opinion, there is a lot to do
>>>> with politics and incompetence or may be these guys are just too
>>>> demoralized. I do not know what you meant with Ruto being airlifted
>>>> before 2012, are you by any chance privy to Ocampo's docs? may be you
>>>> can tell us more about who is on that list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/18/10, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Mburi,
>>>> > You are right about the judicial system. That need to be fixed.
>>>> > Unfortunately we can only sympathize with Ruto. He cannot use the
>>>> > delay
>>>> in
>>>> > justice
>>>> > as an argument unless the law has such provisions (as in the statue of
>>>> > limitation-Sp). In this case, Ruto did what the politicians do, hide
>>>> under
>>>> > the constitutional interpretation in order to buy time and may be
>>>> > escape
>>>> > justice. If he really wanted this case concluded first, he should have
>>>> gone
>>>> > ahead and demand a quick settlement of the case. He took the longer
>>>> > path
>>>> and
>>>> > should take the bite. He should avoid politicizing and demand that the
>>>> case
>>>> > be concluded as first as possible. Unfortunately that means that he
>>>> > will
>>>> be
>>>> > required to step-aside. Another delay like the one he plans to have by
>>>> way
>>>> > of appealing will see the theft case hanging on his neck by 2012
>>>> > (hoping
>>>> > that he will not be airlifted before then).
>>>> >
>>>> > We can only pray for brother Bill for the tribulations to ease.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Eric Wabwaya Mburi
>>>> > <ewabwaya@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Kuria,
>>>> >> How are you keeping my bother?I hope well.I am reading alot of malice
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> this case of brother Hon Ruto Samoei.Since the year 2001 what have
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> honorable judges been waiting for to deliver such a verdict.?Anyone
>>>> would
>>>> >> read malice even if the case is water tight
>>>> >> Ja'kamburi
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ------------------------------
>>>> >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:38:34 -0400
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Subject: Ruto to face fraud charges, court rules
>>>> >> From: kjmwangi@gmail.com
>>>> >> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>>>> >> CC: Youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com;
>>>> >> africa-oped@yahoogroups.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh not another punch. What is happening to our brother in Christ? Is
>>>> >> he
>>>> >> being finished politically as he alleges or
>>>> >> he is facing a bad luck after another. This is too much for our
>>>> >> brother
>>>> in
>>>> >> Christ.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Higher Education minister William Ruto will face a Sh96m fraud case
>>>> >> following a ruling by a constitutional court Friday.
>>>> >> A three judge bench declined to grant Mr Ruto prayers in a case
>>>> involving
>>>> >> the sale of Ngong Forest land to the Kenya Pipeline Company nine
>>>> >> years
>>>> >> ago.
>>>> >> Through his lawyer, Katwa Kigen, Mr Ruto said the case was meant to
>>>> finish
>>>> >> him politically, was discriminatory and constituted an infringement
>>>> >> of
>>>> his
>>>> >> rights.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/1033706/-/11j4c3oz/-/index.html
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