Thursday, July 29, 2010

Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth' &calling on Elijah Kombo into Action

Maurice, why did we reject it in 2005 if it had started 20 yrs ago? if it had to seriously pass, that should have happened in 2005.

On 7/29/10, mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Reuben,

You're advancing a false argument.

All through the 80s and 90s during Moi's dictatorial rule, no one talked about abortion or all of those issues you're mentioning. When Matiba was detained, no one talked about abortion or any of those issues you're mentioning.

Let's be real for once.

Courage,
$aurice

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From: "Reuben Kigame" <rk@fishkenya.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:16:41 +0300
Subject: Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth' &calling on Elijah Kombo into Action

The analogy in the case of the pck IS NOT FAULTY SIGNAL LIGHTS. It is worse than that because it touches on several fundamental provisions.
 
We are licensing the killing of the unborn in the name of freedom to choose. We are entrenching ethnicity in the name of land rights. We are entrenching inequality in the name of "minority/merginalized rights."
 
The analogy is more like a screw that was not tightened on that space ship in America called The Challenger. Failure to  tighten that screw made the Challenger come down.
 
Please take this seriously.
 
Let us amend first, otherwise, vote NO..
 
Reuben Kigame.
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth' &calling on Elijah Kombo into Action

Jonah,

Using your reasoning that we should can this PC and fix it first before we move on is akin to arguing that if I am driving my car at night in the middle of Tsavo and I notice that one of the turn signal lights and let's say a speedometer are malfunctioning, then I should just stop the car and stay there overnight until help arrives in the morning instead of continuing with my journey cautiously until I reach a safe place where I hope I can find a car mechanic.

I am sorry Kenyans are not stopping in the middle of the night in Tsavo because of a malfunctioning turn signal light and a speedometer. Kenyans have resolved to drive cautiously to a safe place first and then have the car repaired in the morning.

I urge you to embrace this same wisdom. Tsavo is a dangerous place to be in at night and alone.

The answer for your safety is a simple YES.

Courage,
Maurice

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From: Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:45:39 +0000
To: mlalahoi mlalahoi<mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth' & calling on Elijah Kombo into Action

Nd Agevi
 
Going through your article I canm conculde that you must have recently attended a Change Management workshop. That is why you can say that the NO team have fear change. BUT the reality is that the YES team have a phobia of being told the reality, that this draft is leaking and needs fixing first before people can settle with it. They just want to be told 'it is good'. The NO team says 'there is a problem here, let us fix it first and pass it.
 
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:33:27 +0000
From: agevi2007@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth' & calling on Elijah Kombo into Action
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com

Dear Sungu and all Comrades,

I hope we are NOT just talking among ourselves on this net. Is someone proactively reaching out the NO clergy group? We need to hear from them directly or via their appointed spokespersons. Is this something that RED Card centre can help to organise? They are great in organising and profiling "nothing" into "something". This they can surely do.

To my name sake Elijah Kombo, let's me assure you that we are not idling in the Green corner as implied in one of your emails. No we are working at all levels through people driven and led networks and other networks. We are certainly not only thinking beyond the Referendum but we are actually working and laying firm ground to actualise the demands of the new constitutional dispensation.  Unlike Kombo and most of lieutenants in the Red Camp, we have been active in the generation background stuff on Land and Rights chapters over the last 10 or so years! I never saw you in any of the working committees on Land for example. Where were you when launched the Basin Needs- Basin Rights Campaign many years ago. Chapter 4 on The Bill of Rights is NOT foreign as peddled by anti-reformist in the RED Camp; it is informed and built from all this sound past work and foundation. It is no wonder you and your team are having problems in comprehending the logic, purpose and rationale of the land and Environment and Bill of Rights chapters among others! Come let's reason together and move on. Change!

In terms of moving and preparing beyond Referendum, let me inform. Kombo that we are on course. As part of a think tank team working with Land Reform Transformation Unit, we shall be having a national Forum on Land Reform In Kenya tomorrow- 28th August, 2010 at School of Monetary Studies. It will be attended by members of cabinet, MPs, senior Government officers, Foreign Missions, religious leaders, civil society, NGOs and media. Kombo see the attached invitation card and be my guest at the Forum.

My name sake Kombo we are not stuck in past or present. No we are sick of this past and that is why we are very much future and solution orientated. We have done our home work and yes we need to liberate ourselves and the other Kenyans from this "Fear of change and NO Change mentality of the Red Camp"

For the rest of Kenyan of good willing and those who believe in change and action, let's continue with struggle of mobilising for change of status quo. Let's go completely Green since we know why and where we are going.

Yes I am in Green for a purpose  

 

Regards


Elijah Agevi

Happy in the Green Corner

 


From: otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 27 July, 2010 10:12:47
Subject: Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth'

Oduor,
 
The debate is clergy versus clergy. That is the one we want so we can know who the false prophets in the church are.
 
Njoya and Gitari are for YES, NO have refused to come on board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Otieno Sungu

From: "mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca" <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 9:12:01 AM
Subject: Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth'

Let's allow Reuben to debate. His contributions and opinions will allow us to judge his weight on these urgent matters.

Courage
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From: Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com>
Sender: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:06:11
To: MlalaHoi<mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth'

Reuben

You are ssmall fish and so will market yourself on the pretext of
debating. And we cant put you in the same ring with Njoya and Gitari.
Those are heavyweights and you are featherweight. ha ha ha

Alai

On Jul 27, 1:18 am, "Reuben Kigame" <r...@fishkenya.net> wrote:
> Please call the debate and do it quickly. Stop writing, just call the debate!
>
> Let us all meet at the debating hall with the proposed constitution in hand.
>
> Reuben Kigame.
>
> Meanwhile guys, turn out in your great numbers and vote "no".
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: otieno sungu
>   To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>
>   Cc: NewVisionKe...@yahoogroups.com ; youngprofessionals...@gmail.com ; youngkenyansforcha...@yahoogroups.com ; kol ; mwanan...@egroups.com ; mwanyageti...@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:20 PM
>   Subject: Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth'
>
>   Askofu Kuria Mwangi,
>
>   Exactly, let them open both their Bibles and the draft KATIBA and debate from there, the truth will come out. If some say men will marry men, they should be able to convince the flock, using the draft Katiba and not imagination to justify those remarks.
>
>   Atleast the audience will have a chance to ask questions, not the way it is in rallies and pulpits where one cannot be questioned. I agree with Njoya that if one cannot take such a challenge to bring out the truth, then they are just porojo men clothed in clergy regalia.
>
>   Tell this to Ruth, it is not about polarizing anybody but establishing the truth so we can vote from informed positions.
>
>   Otieno Sungu
>
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>   From: Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwa...@gmail.com>
>   To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>   Cc: NewVisionKe...@yahoogroups.com; youngprofessionals...@gmail.com; youngkenyansforcha...@yahoogroups.com; kol <kenyaonl...@yahoogroups.com>; mwanan...@egroups.com; mwanyageti...@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 6:04:05 PM
>   Subject: Re: Gitari, Njoya invite 'No' clerics to debate on 'truth'
>
>   Ruth,
>   Sungu is talking about a moderated debate like the ones being held by not too religious folks-eg Martha K Vs Bill Ruto.
>
>   We can have Gitari debate Njue while Njoya tackles Bishop Wanjiru the way His Worship Otto has been debating His Holiness Kombo.
>
>   On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Ruth Onyango <ruonya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Sungu,
>
>     such a contest is ungodly and will only work to divide the church. Lets us not get freinzied about KATIBA. We better now think about its implementation, the obstacle and challenges ahead.
>
>     Passing the KATIBA is just by a vote, but the implementation is a process. AM 4 YES but you want to be enlightened how the counties will function and the source of their funding. Could it be Levies, Permits.....etc etc on top of current taxes.
>
>     Ruth
>
>     On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:38 AM, otieno sungu <sun...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>       The truth shall set us free, which clergy will take on these two, where is Mark Mariuki, Margaret Wanjiru, Pius Muiru, Lai,Cannon Peter Karanja etc, isn't this a great opportunity to establish the truth of the word of God??
>
>       It is now almost three days since this challenge was given and none is coming out.Real men of God never shy away from a challenge which is to show the glory of God, remember Moses and his walking stick which turned into snake and swallowed the ones of the false prophets? Even Elijah and the prophets of Baal.
>
>       Jesus too never shied away from the challenges of the Pharisees and Sedducees, let us know where the truth lies and who are the true men of God in these debates.
>
>      http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000014686&cid=4&
>
>       THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE!!!! Let us hear it on a debate from none other than the men of God, not politicians, and those who will try justifying their cowerdice, we tell you upfront that God's servants never shy away from speaking on His side, even if the risk is to be thrown into a den of lions like Shardack, Meshack and Abednego!!!!!
>
>       We are waiting wit bated breath because we want to know where the truth really is!!!!!
>
>       Otieno Sungu
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