Friday, July 30, 2010

Re: [KOL] Moi has still to restore his lost respect.

Sagongonyi,
 
You keep making a fool of yourself by constantly bringing up the 1982 coup attempt. I am proud of those Airforce boys who made the valiant attempt to get rid of a vile dictator who had completely refused to cries of freedom. I wish they succeeded. Amolo was not the Commamnder of the Armed Forces, Moi was. The fact that his own forces turned against him tell me that he was a totally useless leader and he had pushed Kenyans too far.
 
I wish the coup succeeded.
 
Courage,
Maurice


From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 9:29:52 AM
Subject: Re: [KOL] Moi has still to restore his lost respect.

Otieno, you want to tell this forum that nobody was killed in Kisumu or Kibera in 2008? remember we come from the same country and i witnessed the PEV just as you did. There is a misguided trend that killings only happened in RV. Visit Kisumu police station and do a small enquiry on the number of deaths.... do the same on Kibera and Dandora.

Those who want to silence Moi coz of his past record should just forget it. Raila participated in the 1982 coup and he has admitted it himself in his book. He called people for mass action (coded message for people to fight) in 2008. He has never condmned the killings to date. he even visited Jackson Kibor in jail.  That is why it will be a tall order trying to exonerate him......however much you may love the guy.

On 7/29/10, otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sago,
 
Who are those who were killing other during PEV? If Raila "told his followers so, how come only "followers" in RV and particular people heeded his call when he "told his supporters in nation to" massacre?"
 
Don't you find it strange that these people never stopped to think, thye just attacked? Reason bro, reason.
 
Sungu

From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 29, 2010 11:28:49 AM

Subject: Re: [KOL] Moi has still to restore his lost respect.

Maurice, which Kenyans are forgiving? Moi never asked for any forgiveness and i do not understand why you are "forgiving" him. Did you also forgive Raila for the 1982 coup? how many massacres did he preside over? how about the 2007 PEV? have you forgiven him also? Don't try silencing Moi from exercising his democratic right by bringing in unrelated matters. Everybody has a dark past and your man is part of that dark history.

On 7/29/10, mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Lee,

Here here. Moi has no moral authority at all to lecture anyone on any aspect of the constitution. He had 24 yrs and either failed or refused to bring about such a set of rules. Shame on him. He's lucky Kenyans are such a forgiving people otherwise they would have lynched him or thrown him inside Kamiti to face those that he harmed through detentions, torture, exile etc.

Courage,
Maurice

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From: Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:19:43 +0300
Subject: Re: [KOL] Moi has still to restore his lost respect.

Obed,

I will someone will pass this to Moi and his YK92 band of gangs!

Fact: Moi does not have any moral authority to talk about abortion while he 'killed' so many generation by torturing and rendering reformers 'vegetable' hence can not give birth!



On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:58 AM, obed nyaribo <obed2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


It is embarrassing for a retired president to be used as a campaign boy by a band of anti-reformists to run from village to village  saying that  the draft constitution is bad and should be rejected. What is amazing is that Mr Moi does not offer any resolution after the rejection of the draft. The old man wants things to remain the same, which is really dangerous for a progressive country like Kenya. Below are the few facts Moi should be reminded any time he opens his mouth.

1. Fact. During his reign he forced all civil servants in Kenya KANU members, money for for Kanu memberships was deducted automatically through the payroll system. I was a member not by choice.

2. Fact. It is during Moi's rule that  a gangster group call Kanu92 was formed that terrorized innocent Kenyans to guarantee his continued rule. The same gangsters are now in the front trying to oppose the draft constitution.

3.Fact. It is during Moi's time that, even his staunch KANU supporters were murdered e.g Ouko and oyugi etc.

4. Fact. It during his time that Goldenberg was created  that nearly brought down the Kenyan economy.

5. Fact. It during his time for the first time that clergmen were beaten and some killed like Alexander Muge in addition, women were stripped naked. Shame.

6. Fact. It is during his time that Nyayo torture chamabers were officially open for business and many patriotic Kenyans were rendered "vegetables"by nyayo boys and girls  for advocating openness and free speech.

7. Fact.it during his time that, market plots, cemetery, city and town toilets, and land allover Kenya were grabbed by the KANU boys.

For Mr Moi to restore his dented credibility he should cease to be used to do dirty work for others who do not want to see Kenya move forward. He should emulate his next neighbor President mkapa of TZ who has become an elder statesman of the region. It is shameful for a grand and great grand father to be used reckless by his handlers. It also shameful for him to say that this time there is democracy and he has a right to talk like anybody else. He is no like anybody else he is a retired president of Kenya with full government security paid by the tax payers. Further, during his time he denied people to express themselves what he is taking for granted now. He is a lucky man to be living in a free speech Kenya.

He has five days to redeems his lost glory by joining the winning team, even God will forgive him of his past crimes against the people of Kenya. I wish him a quick change of heart for the sake of his grand children.

Obed.

Green is the way, any other way is unsustainable



  


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