2010/7/19 Tim Arnold <tim472@gmail.com>
Henry,
I'll try to be simple. Don't equate all pastors as one and don't wait
until ur satisfied that all are good for you to be confortable with
the church. I mention Christianity is pure have your faith first, seek
the lord's face and the rest will come. Do set conditions for your
salvation.
The hardest thing in being a christian is the fellowship, obediance n
faith. Let God deal with the bad Pastors for us is to pray for their
deliverance n we hope the same.
Tim
On 7/19/10, Henry Shikokoti <hshikokoti@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Henry Shikokoti <hshikokoti@yahoo.com>
> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 2:56:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Big Church; Big Business !
>
>
> Tim and others
> As much as you have a right of your opinion, I wish to inform you that many
> conmen have joined the church and are masquerading as priests, pastors,
> bishops
> name it for the sole purpose of making a kill as it has become the most
> lucrative business.For the purpose of ensuring that their sheep dips deeper
> in
> their pockets,they pretend to be having the powers to perform healing
> miracle, multiplying money or solving other problems . Armed with this
> blatant
> lie they rove all over, in particular in major urban centres, purportedly
> holding crusades during which they capitalize on the helplessly sick and
> others
> with varying problems raising funds from them in the name of the church
> which
> unfortunately ends up in their pockets. We have concrete examples where such
> money has been invested in buildings, matatu businesses, farming activities,
> buying very expensive vehicles, building posh houses etc that the returns
> are
> only known by purported church leaders themselves or close families members
> or
> in a nutshell become family businesses. It is most unfortunate that even
> our main stream Churches like catholic, AIC, Anglican church, CPK etc have
> been
> engulfed in this greed. While I fully appreciate the fact that the church
> leaders have a right to leave happily, I opine that it is un-godly for them
> to
> be driven by avarice while their sheep who only sacrifice some of their
> basic
> needs to support what should be modest livelihood languish in poverty and
> sickness.In God's name this must be condemned. It is unfortunate that we are
> so
> indoctrinated by the same church leaders to the point that we can not
> question
> the wrongs they commit because we believe doing so would be questioning
> God.The
> fact that they are church leaders does not qualify them outright Angels.
> Hence
> we should stop behaving like a dog and a python whereby whenever the two
> meet
> the dog instead of saving it self by taking off it lies down in a manner
> that
> the python can swallow it with a lot of ease. Jesus himself condemned the
> church
> leaders for having turned the house of God into a market. We do not expect
> him
> to come back and condemn these evil. It is ourselves to take charge and
> point
> out where things are not rightly being conducted. Even the Bible itself we
> should question it for a better understanding. We should not just take
> the writings in it on face value since some message in it was to specific
> group(s) of people warning them on the bad things they were doing or
> encouraging
> them e.g. the Corinthians, Galatians etc. Such books only act as reference
> materials in our lives because they can indicate to one when he is right or
> wrong or warn us. So what am I saying give out the tithe but to genuine
> church
> leaders and not hooligans who have simply invaded the church with the lust
> for
> money. The argument that it is God to judge to me does not hold water
> because
> God himself has given us brains and powers to think and eyes to see. We
> should
> not let ourselves become dummies in the shops.
> Have abundant God's blessings.
>
> Henry A. Shikokoti
>
> GOD FEARING
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Henry Shikokoti <hshikokoti@yahoo.com>
> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 11:36:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Big Church; Big Business !
>
>
>
> Tim and others
> As much as you have a right of your opinion, I wish to inform you that many
> conmen have joined the church and are masquerading as priests, pastors,
> bishops
> name it for the sole purpose of making a kill as it has become the most
> lucratve
> business.For the purpose of ensuring that their sheep dips deepper in their
> pockets,they pretent to be having the powers to perform healing
> miracle, multiplying money or solving other problems . Armed with this
> bluntant
> lie they rove all over, in particular in major urban centres, purportedly
> holding crusades during which they capitalise on the helplessly sick and
> others
> with varying problems raising funds from them purportedly for the church
> which
> unfortunately ends up in their pockets. We have conrete examples where such
> money has been invested in buildings, matatu businesses, farming activities,
> buying very expensive vehicles, building posh houses etc that the returns
> are
> only known by purported church leaders themselves or close families members
> or
> in a nutshell become family businesses. It is most unfortunate that even
> our main stream churhes like catholic, AIC, Anglican church, CPK etc have
> been
> engulfed in this greed. While I fully appreciate the fact that the church
> leaders have a right to leave happily I opine that it is un-godly for them
> to
> be driven by averice while their sheep who only sacrifice some of their
> basic
> needs to support what should be modest livelihood languish in poverty and
> sickness.In God's name this must be condemned. It is unfortunate that we are
> so
> indoctrinated by the same church leaders to the point that we can not
> question
> the wrongs they commit because we believe doing so would be questioning
> God.The
> fact that they are church leaders does not qualify them outright Angels.
> Hence
> we should stop behaving like a dog and a python whereby whenever the two
> meet
> the dog instead of saving it self by taking off it lies down in a manner
> that
> the python can swallow it with a lot of ease. Jesus himself condemned the
> churh
> leaders for having turned the house of God into a market. We do not expect
> him
> to come back and condemn these evil. It is ourselves to take charge and
> point
> out where things are not righly being conducted. Even the Bible itself we
> should
> question it for a better understanding. We should not just take the writings
> in
> it on face value since some message in it was to specific group(s) of people
> warning them on the bad things they were doing or encouraging them eg the
> Corinthians, Galtians etc. Such books only act as referrence materials in
> our
> lives because they can indicate to one when he is right or wrong or warn
> us. So
> what am I saying give out the tithe but to genuine church nleaders and not
> huligans who have simply invated the church with the lust for money. The
> argument that it is God to judge to me does not hold water because God
> himself
> has given us brains and powers to think and eyes to see. We should not let
> ourselves become dummies in the shops.
> Have abundant God's blessings.
>
> Henry A. Shikokoti
> Chrispine,
>
> Unfortunately ur ignorance is very clear. Their is nothing wrong with
> the church been prosperous. It's the faithfull who give voluntary n
> obediantly. In turn God will bless them here and even more in heaven.
> It also God who uplifts the likes of JD jakes, Mark Kariuki with
> wealth. He can easy remove his blessings as well. U can't judge,
> decide for urself or us whether its deserve or not. What God has
> willed can't be undone by us mortals.
>
> Tim
>
> On 7/6/10, Nankhi <nankhi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Chrispine,
>> My pals and I have considered, seriously considered getting into this
>> business.
>> It is really lucrative, its like a pyramid scheme where you get cash and
>> have no
>> responsibility at all!!
>> N
>>
>>
>>
>> "When you realize who matters, who never did and who never will you are
>> happy"!
>> Happy New year folks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: onyango chrispine <odumac2000@yahoo.com>
>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; youngprofessionals.ke@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 10:03:05 AM
>> Subject: Big Church; Big Business !
>>
>>
>> Guys,
>> just an observation. i cannot resist but to ask ; has any of you noted
>> that
>> the
>> business of church and "jesus" as a product is selling more than ever
>> before
>> and
>> analytically doing better than any other 21st century businesses?
>>
>>
>> The return on investment of a church business is extraordinary and
>> generally
>> does not go through known government interferences like taxation hence its
>> attraction as the best opportunity out there.
>>
>> Is God happy that His word is being spread as was supposed to be or could
>> He
>> be
>> angry with mankind for the unscrupulous trends that the likes of Bishops
>> Mark
>> Kariuki, Ng'ang'a, Wanjiru, Deya, TJ, Joe Osteen, Pius Muiru and entirely
>> the
>> rest.
>>
>> God the son Himself preached and did everything but did not indicate a
>> desire or
>> even an attempt to amass such unimaginable monetary gains yet he was in
>> the
>> flesh of man and had extraordinary powers that could make him do that
>> without
>> much effort.
>> Are these the end days of the Bible or where is mankind headed?
>> Man of God Kuria - Mwangi, the floor is yours Sir, take us to the promised
>> land.
>> Chrispine.
>>
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> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 10:01:34 PM
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