Dear brother in law,
I only studied african traditional religion and so i will comment when we start talking Mungiki. I will wait for Prince Omtatah to comment on that unless Reuben Kigame comments first.
Did you ever meet Reuben in KU. He was either my yearmate or was ahead of me by one year. We meet in CU although I was known to attend the meeting when they had those coffee houses at Harambee theater. I have a collection of his music, some coming to me through his
good friend who is also my buddy, Dr. Fulbert Namwamba aka Papa F.
good friend who is also my buddy, Dr. Fulbert Namwamba aka Papa F.
I know you know very little of CU because as we prayed at the chapel, you were busy drinking machozi ya simba at KM1. I know most of the woblers because they shouted most and did best in exams. One would drink silly and then starting singing outside the library as studied for the exams, 'watoto someni". The wombler would come top of the class even after studying not.
The other womblers were good at the Rugby tournaments. They had good tunes for the women and they loved to sing "msichana umesoma hata masters ukaenda lakini kwanini hujapata bwana?".
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Henry Gichaba <gichabamob@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, brother-in-law. Now talk about Lilith, Adam's second wife.
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:12:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mwananchi] Re: [KOL] RE: We Can't Ignore Harry on Jesus, Biblical Interpretation!
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Brother in law,Lets focus on the academic discourse tuache ujinga, Prof. Jude Ongonga was the chairperson of the Dept for a long time. Kihara wa Ndirangu was Rev. and so dont know about his bangi smoking sprees in Kandara but it is true he did very little preaching. Ongonga was good in theology like most of those former Catholic trained profs. Yes, I did see lots of those folks in the works. You are lucky you didnt write much of that siasa during the Mwakenya era otherwise you will be testicleless as we talk.No address the theological issues raised wacha mambo ya bangi.KuriaOn Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Henry Gichaba <gichabamob@hotmail.com> wrote:
Brother-in-law,
Wacha ujinga ya Dr. Kihara Ndirangu - that Mungiki founder with a long hair. The only person I knew and regarded well was Dr. Jude Julius Ong'onga. Did you catch him as Dr. Ogongo in "I Apologize." Fisi ya Kofa wewe! Mungiki hii!
I know Dr. Kihara was a bhangi (enyasore) farmer in Kandara. That's where he took his PRS students for practicals. I know that you were the Chairman of the PRS Bhangi Smokers Association. And so with a Ph.D. in Bhangi smoking, I gather that you may not believe in the very true accounts of Gikuyu and Mumbi.
Dr. Kihara Ndirangu wewe! Bhangi smoker wewe! Dr. Otieno Jowi wewe!
Your non-bhangi smoking brother-in-law.
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From: kjmwangi@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:25 -0400
Subject: [Mwananchi] Re: [KOL] RE: We Can't Ignore Harry on Jesus, Biblical Interpretation!
Dear Prince,
You are quoting myths and myths are supposed to be that, just myths. Those few chapters of the good book have no support from archeological or other support unlike the rest of the Bible which can be supported by sources such as the archeology. They are as good as the stories of Abunuwasi na kiatu yake. No better than the nonsense spewed by Agikuyu about a man called Gikuyu and Mumbi who were created by a god (not God) who resided atop Kirinyaga, then the fellow sired 9-10 daughters and out of nowhere came some men who sired our forefathers. Only fools would believe in such nonsense.
However, the myths may hold some truths and are usually composed of half truths, half nonsense or kaquater nonsense and 3/4 truths. As in the story of Gikuyu and Mumbi, we came to know that one such man lived and was just a defecto leader of the Kikuyu migrants from Meruland who fell in love with a beauty who loved to make pots (mumbi) and she fell in love with him because he was a quiet fellow who loved to spend time resting at a Mukuyu tree and so his name Gikuyu. The myths becomes murky when they settled in my location and had to conceive lies to unite the groups composed of various backgrounds.
Why am I talking about the gikuyu yet our talk is about Jews? Because each community has it's own myths and we should forget about the Jews origin myths. They are just stories, half truths, half nonsense and you just talked about one of the nonsenses. All those nonsense about the snake talking to Eve and then her seducing Adam. When did snakes stop talking? Why would they be talking about being naked all over sudden yet the issue was about stealing fruits? Why is God now talking about a woman having difficulties in child birth yet the issue was about apples and oranges? How come only human being go to hospital to give birth yet other animals give birth and behave as if they did nothing?
Each community has some nasty myths. One I learned about in KU when studying ATR was a tribe explaining why women have to be circumcised. Some extremely stupid explanation. That a woman was lying naked facing the sky. God (should be with small g?) looked at her goods and got aroused. He could not take it anymore and so came from heaven (sounded to me like the devil) rushing and with an erection and tried to have sex with the naked woman. The clitoris made it difficult for god to have sex with her and so demanded that from then on, all women had to be circumcised. I have never heard of such stupidity from African. Accusing god of rape to just give explanation for why FGM had to be done. That was a thoughtless explanation and a stupid one too. I am forgetting the name of the tribe. I will look for Dr. Kiharu Ndirangu who taught about that nonsense. Now lets talk about non myths stuff and forget the nonsense about Adam and Eve being misread by a snake unless they were referring to Adam's Omieri.
Kuria
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Henry Gichaba <gichabamob@hotmail.com> wrote:
Christians and Biblical Scholars,
Please help us understand the Biblical accounts of creation in Genesis 1 (first Creation story) and Genesis 2 (second Creation story). In the first story, God creates man and woman at the same time. In the second story, God spells a deep sleep into Adam and when he (Adam) is asleep, God breaks one of his ribs and creates a helper for Adam.
Which of the two accounts of creation is true? Why do the two accounts differ even when they are written by the same author, Moses, and inspired by the same spirit?
Without ignoring Harry, please help us explain if Christians/humanity should follow the lifestyle and teachings of Jesus Christ.
Note: Do not rush to answer these questions or clothe them in blanket rigmaroles, you are in a zone where reason and debate must override value judgment.
Mobi Gichaba, somewhere in the forests of North Carolina.
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:24:37 -0700
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Subject: Re: *** The Truth : You don't need JESUS in your LIFE -----
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Ndugu Harry, I'm not a student of theology but I want to let you know that Christianity or godliness is not a gateway to a life of clover. Those who love God and have a personal relationship with him face even more challenges than those who don't know him. As Serah mentioned, salvation doesn't mean freedom from tribulations as modern preachers puts it. Read all the 4 Gospels in the N/ Testament move to Acts and read Paul's letters and you will grasp the reality that true Christianity encompasses a lot of suffering. Key figures in the New Testament died as martyrs. Jesus Christ who was God in a human body was crucified like a thief. John the Baptist who prepared the way for Jesus's coming was beheaded. During the early Church, Stephen, James, Mathew, St Peter, St Luke etc were brutally killed. There is only one hope- life in eternity. In the book of Galatians 5:22-23, long suffering is mentioned as one of the fruits of the spirit. A Christian can die of cancer, accidents, aids, malaria, tb etc. Besides, The Bible tells us not to be dismayed when you see evil men prospering as theirs are just for a short time.
Our friend Harry has a burning desire to understand the word of God and one day, si maajabu atakuwa muhubiri ajabu. God will transform your heart and thinking ndugu yangu.
Joseph Lister Nyaringo - New Jersey USA
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In prosperity our friends knows us; in adversity we know our friends. John Churton Collins
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Subject: Re: *** The Truth : You don't need JESUS in your LIFE -----
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Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 4:41 AM
From: Harry <hmumia@gmail.com>
Subject: *** The Truth : You don't need JESUS in your LIFE -----
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com, "young proffessionals" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>, "Harrison Mumia N" <hmumia@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, 19 July, 2010, 7:40
This is to the Christian Republic,It has become increasingly clear to me, over the years, that the message of Jesus Christ, the Gospel of Christ, the teachings of Jesus Christ as the savior of humanity, the teachings that you need him in your life has no basis. I have examined this life folks, over the few years i have lived and there is nothing fundamental can be attributed to someone accepting Jesus as his personal savior.Let us begin by generally accepting some fundamentals about this life. It is full of challenges. Problems even. Some are within you control and some are outside your control. Some are both. Sickness, for example can be within or outside your control. A road accident may be outside your control. A divorce could be both. Getting a job could be out of your control, or within ....Lets also accept that everyone can get what he wants in life....everyone can be successful, a failure, in all spheres of life, and this could also be within his control or outside his control.The message of accepting Jesus has always bordered on the fact that by doing so, you improve your lifestyle, you generally become a better person, you relate to others well, you become generous, forgiving, loving, caring, you treat your wife and husband better, just like Jesus taught. By accepting Jesus into your life, eventually your life will be better and better. You will fall sick less, and if you do you will heal faster. And because you pray and fast often, misfortunes will not come your way as much as they do for the heathens.But is this true?The lives of people who accept Jesus are no better than the lives of the other human beings. Not on this earth at least. The problem is that when you accept Jesus, you start imagining your life is being managed by someone else and so you attribute everything to him. This is the worst DOGMA of ALL TIME. I have seen the so called Children of God getting just as messed up as the rest of the flock. When it comes to happiness, the only parameter for happiness is not Jesus. I have seen very unhappy Christians, saved ones, jobless ones, sick ones, and very prayerful ones. I have also seen very happy atheists. Healthy ones. Wealthy ones. With happy marriages. And very generous, very accommodating. Very reasonable. And they live by the generally acceptable principles of life like honesty, kindness, integrity, hard work etc.You do not need Jesus, just live well, appreciate nature, be kind and honest, and take everything in stride. ALL SHALL BE WELL Goddammit!!--
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