RE: The Quran and verses that needs clarification

It is unfortunate that you are calling Westerners (Christians). Please expound abit. Was Jesus a westerner?
 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:45:04 -0700
From: abuayman88@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: The Quran and verses that needs clarification
To: daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com
CC: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com

Hi
You are free to have yr interpretation but what i gave you is the standpoint of Islam. The Qur'an is mainly explained by the traditions of Prophet Muhammad. For example, the Quran orders Muslims to undertake the daily prayers but it does not even explicitly mention their numbers and the fine details about prayers. This can be found from the prophetic traditions. Simmilary, the Prophet spoke against beating wives and if some Muslims are involved in the practice it does not mean that this is acceptable in Islam.

Of all faiths which have the notion of heaven in their doctrine, it is only Islam which has given greater details about the expectations of what believers and non-believers will expect. From the first food to be eaten in paradise, the beautiful houses with rivers flowing underneath,  to the bodily enjoyments, they are all stated in the Quran and the traditions of the Prophet.
Th enjoyments in this world wil also be experienced in the after life though at a much bigger scale not comparable to what we are used to.
Companionship with beautiful maidens wil be among the rewards which believers will expereince in paradise. despite their enormous beauty, they will still be on a lower level in beauty and status than the believing women from earth. Allah is just and for women also, they will have similar enjoyments. The Qur'an states "For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward." (33:35)
Who so does that which is right, and believes, whether male or female, him or her will We quicken to happy life. (16:97)
I do not understand where the relationship betwn the maidens of paradise and promiscuity came from. If as you claimed the maidens promotes promiscuity, Las Vegas, Amsterdam, Bangkok and other sin cities of the world would be located in the Muslims world. In the Muslim world, these vices are least heard of and where they have started showing signs it is because of the influx of Westerners (Christians).
When we come to the Bible, a plethora of references of incest, vulgarity and denigration of women and sexual gratification. A whole chapter Ezekiel 23 was BANNED by the Apartheid regime, for promoting pornography. Due to the nasty and obscene details mentioned in that biblical verse,out of descency, i cannot even paste it here. I do challenge you if you can read such a story to yr mother or sister even yr wife. Other versions have tried to use archaic language to attempt to hide the obscenities but the NIV has left it all bare.
Check out the story about Judah, his sons  and Tamar in Genesis 38:1-11. and explain to me the moral anectodes from such a story. Mind you the twin children born from the relationship which Judah had with a 'prostitute' Pharez and Zarah  feature in the lineage of Jesus.

Here is Jesus' lineage according to Matthew 1: ¹ The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. ² Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; ³ And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; Mind you this is where the term 'Onanism' (musturbation) originated from. Can you provide Bible Lessons to yr mum with this story? 

Incest is mentioned at many places without any admonition to those involved in the abominibale practice. In Genesis 19:30-38 Lot a tighteous man is alleged to ahve impregnated his 2 daughters while drunk. 2 Samuel 16:22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he lay with his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.

Many other unhuman principles are related in the Bible which are sadly taken to be from God!

No wonder George Bernard Shaw said "THE MOST DANGEROUS BOOK  (the Bible) ON EARTH, KEEP IT UNDER LOCK AND KEY." Keep the Bible out of your children's reach.

Abu Ayman

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From: Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com>
To: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 3:56:56 PM
Subject: Re: The Quran and verses that needs clarification

Abu

Thanks for the time spent in clarifying the points. Something doesn't sound quite clear especially when you talk of "a gentle tap" This is quite controversial because I wonder how an angered man will tap the woman gently? It still will result to the man beating the wife since it has already been approved. This means that If the wife takes legal action and goes to the Kadhis court that is constitutional then the husband will be acquitted.

We need to look into this particular verses into details because the Idea of miswak was not ideally in the Quran but was brought about by scholars.

The Idea you are bringing here is of scholars yet the Quran states clearly that women should be beaten. (Surah 4:34)

The Idea of the beautiful maidens in heaven brings out the idea of promiscuity. The maidens to serve!

As much as you have mentioned specific key points, I'm still not convinced yet.

About Slavery, a couple of verses do entertain slavery. I will just give the verses and they are as follows;

Quran 33:50

Quran 4:24 - In fact this particular verse allows Muslims to marry their slaves if they wish to regardless of the existence of a wife

Vol. 5-#459 in Bukharis Hadith the prophet okayed rape on women slaves by the soldiers after the attack on Banu Mustaliq.

Vol. 5-#541     Narrated Abu Huraira

Volume 7-#s 845, 341, 352, 371, 410, 413, 654, ch. 22, ch. 23, and

volume 1-#s 29, 439, 661,

volume 9-#s ch. 23, ch. 32, #293, 296, 277, 100, 80.

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From: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com; daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com
Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 11:44:29 AM
Subject: Re: The Quran and verses that needs clarification

Hi Paul
Let me clarify for you the points which you raised

On the verse you cited claiming it promotes Gender violence, this is the response;
First, the context of the verse deals with solving marital disputes between the husband and the wife. Islam exhorts the husband not to rush into divorcing the wife who is disobedient but prescribes a three way solution.

The Qur'an exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and even if she has some drawbacks which are not pleasing to the him, he is advised not overlook her POSITIVE ASPECTS  (see Qur'an 4:19). In the event that she is disobedient, the husband is encouraged to  give her sincere advice. In most cases, this measure is likely to be sufficient. In cases where the problem continues, the husband may express his displeasure in another peaceful manner, by sleeping in a separate bed from hers.

There are cases, however, in which a wife persists in deliberate mistreatment and expresses contempt of her husband and disregard for her marital obligations. Instead of divorce, the husband may resort to another measure that may save the marriage, at least in some cases.

Here the third option of beating follows. However, Muslims scholars have  accurately described this form of 'beating' as a gentle tap on the body, it is more of  a symbolic measure then a punitive one.  In explaining this verse,  Muslim Scholars have mentioned   that the beating should be carried out by something like a  miswak, (a small tooth stick) or folded scarf i.e something which will not cause pain or injury.

In the traditions of the Prophet, the beating is referred to as  dharban ghayra mubarrih, or light striking that which leaves no mark on the body.
This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort, and "lesser of the two evils" measure that may save a marriage does not meet the definitions of "physical abuse," "family violence, " or "wife battering" in our present times in liberal democracies, where such extremes are so commonplace that they are seen as national concerns.

In several sayings, Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him frowned at the idea of beating wives.   "Do not beat the female servants of Allah;" "Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you;" and"[It is not a shame that] one of you beats his wife like  he beats a slave and maybe he sleeps with her at the end of the day." ( Riyadh Al-Saliheen). 

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.  (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

Added to these is the inescapable fact that the Prophet vehemently disapproved of men hitting their wives, and that he never in his entire life lit any woman or child. In the Prophet's last sermon, he exhorted men to "be kind to women-you have rights over your wives, and they have rights over you." He also said, "Treat your women well, and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers," and at a different time, he said, "The strong man is not the one who can use the force of physical strength, but the one who controls his anger" (Bukhari).
These Qur'an make it clear that the relationship between men and women is to be one of kindness, mutual respect, and caring. "And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran 30:21)"  
 Some verses, where Allah calls men and women "protecting friends of one another," refer to the mandated atmosphere of mutual kindness and mercy in the marital home (30:21; 9:71).
The prophet equated perfect belief with good treatment to one's wife when he said: "The most perfect believer is one who is the best in courtesy and amiable manners, and the best among you people is one who is most kind and courteous to his wives" (see Tirmidhi, chapter on the obligations of a man to his wife). Finally, the prophet, the best example of conduct said: "The best among you is the one who treats his family best."


Abu Ayman
*Will respond to your other queries in due course.

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From: Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com>
To: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 2:32:56 PM
Subject: The Quran and verses that needs clarification

Abu and my other Muslim buddies

Sorry for the harsh topic on this one. But I had promised my friend Abu to look into the Quran soberly and come out clearly on the verses that needed some clearance. They are as follows;

1) Surah 4:34

 As for those (women) on whose part you fear ill-will and nasty conduct, admonish them (first), (next) separate them in beds (and last) beat them. But if they obey you, then seek nothing against them. Behold, God is most high and great. 

The above verse clearly creates a rift between men and women and gives the man full authority of beating the wife (It promotes Gender violence) which is a problem currently in our society.

Even paradise creates inequalities for women. suras 55:56; 56:36 and 78:33 state that paradise is a place where there are beautiful young virgins waiting to serve the "righteous" (sura 78:31). These virgins, we are told, will have beautiful, big, lustrous eyes (sura 56:22); they will be Maidens who are chaste, who avert their eyes out of purity (sura 55:56, Yusuf Ali's note no.5210), and have a delicate pink complexion (sura 55:58, Yusuf Ali's note no.5211). Nowhere are we told what awaits the Muslim women of this world in paradise: the Muslim mothers and sisters. One wonders who these virgin maidens are, and where they come from? Furthermore does this line promote promiscuity? Does it mean that in heaven one shall be a player?

Islam a violent religion

War is sanctioned in Islam, with enormous rewards promised to those who fight for Allah, according to sura 4:74. Later in verse 84, Muhammad gives himself the divine order to fight. (Shorrosh 1988:174). In sura 5:33 the Qur'an orders those who fight Allah and his messenger to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off; or they can be expelled out of the land. In sura 48:16-17, we read that all who die "fighting in the ways of the Lord" (Jihad) are richly rewarded, but those who retreat are sorely punished.
The first blood shed under Muhammad was carried out by a blind disciple named Umair, who stabbed and killed a woman named Asma while she slept suckling her baby because she had criticized Muhammad with poetic verses. Upon hearing of this Muhammad said "Behold a man that hath assisted the Lord and His prophet. Call him not blind, call him rather 'Umair,' the seeing." (Nehls pg.122).
Therefore, when those of us who are Christians read these suras, and see the example of the prophet himself, we find a total rejection of the previous teachings of Jesus who calls us to live in peace and put away the sword. We then are incredulous when we hear Muslims claim that Islam is the religion of peace. The record speaks for itself.


Abu and my other Muslim friends, I have retrieved some of the verses that clearly brings forth Islam as a religion that discriminates against women and is violent in its nature. Still I need to substantiate my previous claim that Islam promotes slavery.


* Please if you have time clarify the above and let us have a sober approach on these. Abu you had told me earlier that the Bible promotes promiscuity and violence. I'm ready for a rational discussion of the above claims and also clarify the scriptures in the Bible that you said do promote quire acts


Regards


Konyi

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From: Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com>
To: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 11:11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible

Abu

Im working right now but will explain to you all these things. About the Bible, I'd really love to hear all those claims. But just so as to clear things for now; The old testament is about the Law, the New Testament is about Grace. Thats the difference and thats the origin of Christianity. Actually the Old Testament and some verses in Quran are more like the same thing

I will clarify all these queer acts in the Quran later. Please let us approach this with a sober mind and let it not look like we are in some kind of a quarrel. I found the Bible and so did you find the Quran. If we compare the two then perhaps we can end up getting the right one. Or should we try using "Paul the Oracle".....Dont take it seriously, just an ice breaker. I promise to reply soberly to your mail. Give me sometime

Konyi.

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From: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 10:58:08 AM
Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible

Paul

You talked of the Qur'an promoting "some queer acts like Slavery, discrimination towards women, Polygamy, wife battery etc." Come out and point out five of these queer acts and will bring out horrifying tales from the Bible which speaks and glorify incest, pornography, tales of polygamy which has no bound, sexual abuse of women, genocide and mass killings allegedly on God's orders and other queers acts. 

Looks like you dont know yr Bible. By the way are you aware that a section of the Bible in the Old Testament was banned in South Africa during the Apartheid regime for promoting graphic details of a woman's productive organs? If you need more details keep in touch. Such obnoxious information are not found anywhere in the Qur'an 

Abu Ayman

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From: Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com>
To: Sham Faraj <habubah2000@yahoo.co.uk>; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 4:25:23 PM
Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible

Sham

First of all I am impressed by the way you are composed when expressing yourself and without getting sentimental. I won't deny that even people who have been brought up under christian doctrines and teachings do perform murder and other evils against fellow innocent humans. The other day a self confessed killer in the name of Phillip Onyancha was apprehended. His first name suggested that the guy isor must have been a christian a while ago. But I have never heard any christian praise the name of God after committing such deplorable acts.

NOT even a single time

Sham, I respect the fact that you dignify human life and have also respect to others people's religions and beliefs. But there are those Muslims who have enough balls to Praise Alah after killing. Remember Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein etc. The list is endless

I may not know Quran like you do but the little stories I have read from it; It promotes some queer acts like Slavery, discrimination towards women, Polygamy, wife battery etc. If you can be patient with me my brother, I can unveil all these lines.

In the Bible on the other hand; the scripture is directly against those acts. Jesus himself stated that whoever marries a second woman commits adultery. His main teaching was about love, peace and forgiveness. 

Sham I am not at all against Islam and Muslims for that matter; In fact I have a couple of Muslim friends who are very close to me. I am simply flabbergasted by the way people professing the Islam faith dare praise Allah when such disturbing images are hitting headlines!

I respect you  brother, but truth be told

Konyi

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From: Sham Faraj <habubah2000@yahoo.co.uk>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 4:02:28 PM
Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible

Konyango, What does Islam have to do with the bombing??? The ones who claimed responsibility are ALSHABAB  not MUSLIMS in general...!!! We are all condemning what Al-Shabad did, infact it's cowardly, it's not Islamic at all. The killings of innocent children, mothers n fathers in a church during the 2007 clashes, would it be justified if a muslim said that CHRISITIANS are barbaric??? NO! And you never heard any muslim say that nor even think that either, except that we all were horrified to see that our fellow kenyans doing such a horrific thing to their own! There are Irish bombers killing people, there people who kill children in schools at broad day light, and they are christians brought up in a chrisitian family infact,  bt it is never mentioned that a chrisitian man or boy terrorised or killed people no, neither is chrisitianity mentioned either. So why when a muslim man/boy/woman does something you have to drag the Islam religion?? What do u know about Islam and its teachings that you, a devoted chrisitian (as u call urself) can come out and say that Islam is a hostile religion?? Kanyago, have you ever read anything from a muslim here in this forum talking against chrisitianity, the way you and some other brothers here do in regards to Islam and muslims?? I haven't.  And do you know why? It's because Islam teaches us to respect other people's religion, and Allah said this in the quran: "In the name of Allah, most Gracious most Merciful. 109.01 Say: O ye who rejects faith! 109.02 I worship not that ye worship, 109.03 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 109.04 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, 109.05 Nor will you worship that which I worship. 109.06 To you be your Way, and to me mine" So Konyango please leave Islam to the muslims, who are a peace loving people too, and who DO NOT support the killings of innocent people regardless of their religion. Thank you and have a good day. Sham Faraj     YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY... DON'T LET CRITICISM WORRY YOU...   --- On Tue, 13/7/10, Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com, Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com, mkhaguli@yahoo.com Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com, abuayman88@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, 13 July, 2010, 9:32 Abu & Faizah I hope by now the two of you clearly know what am talking about. Even from the way you are conversing to each other and yet claim to be of the same religion (Islam) clearly there is that aspect of rage in your speech. Thats why am fully convinced that Islam is a hostile religion. When you attack a Christian, and especially a devoted one for that matter, you will realize how fast he/she will be to request for peace or totally back off. But after reading your postings clearly if you were to meet you might end up tearing each other apart. People nothing meaningful / constructive can ever be achieved where tempers are flaring and where there's so much suspicion etc. Let peace and love dominate and let the truth be said; Islam is a hostile religion. FYI, Alshabaab claimed responsibility of the two bombings in UG have a PEACEFUL day Konyi From: Faiza Hassan <antihongo@gmail.com> To: Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com; mkhaguli@yahoo.com; mlalahoi@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 11:05:20 PM Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible Abu Ayman. I posted a rejoinder but it seem moderator is being unfair. If he allowed your posting he should have let mine also. Why did you bring this issue to this forum? I thought issue of Wahhabism was banned in this forum. You are aware as recepient of a defamatory e mail circulated by a person known to you. I am requesting you to furnish me with the true identity and contact of the person so that I can take necessary action. I have a right to a good reputation as a woman, though woman according to your sect of wahhabism not Islam is useless. Mind you I did not level baseless allegation against anyone. If I did why you did not defend them in mlalahoi? Are you sure I said Hassan Jabry aka hambarr and Twaha wamehusika? On 7/12/10, abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo.com> wrote: > Maurice > > I thought you were a sober minded person, i am sorry i did not know there > are > people on these forum who haveempty brains (forgive me for this > description). > Someone is levelling baseless accusation against members of this forum in > another forum and you are coming in to defend her. Are also saying that the > two > mentioned individuals hambarr and Twaha walihusika, if you two have > evidencewhy > dont u just present to the police. This issue is not to do with wahabi, it > is to > do with upholding dignity and respect to others. I will come out and defend > you > vigorously if i believe that you are wrongly accused and that's is  what i > did > for the two brothers. I know  accusation by Faiza are stemming out of > personal > vendetta against one of the members who exposed her or his weird attitudes. > If you feel u dont have anything important to do dont do it here!! Next time > watch yr words  carefully and put something in yr brain!!! > Mind you this forum is not about levelling false accusations, if u believe > in > this  find another forum which subscribes to such crap behaviours. > > Abu Ayman > > > > > ________________________________ > From: khaguli maurice <mkhaguli@yahoo.com> > To: Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 8:37:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Kiswahili] Fw: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course > responsible > > > Abu, > Don't feed people here na maovu yako.Kama una uhabi au wahusika,jitenge na > kujumlisha Faiza na fitina za chuki zako.Nduru za nini! what are you hiding? > > > > ________________________________ >  From: abu Ayman <abuayman88@yahoo. com> > To: kiswahili@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 9:48:37 AM > Subject: [Kiswahili] Fw: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course > responsible > > > > > THIS IS FAIZA,  accusing members of this forum of complicity in the attacks > in > UG!!! may Allah guide her (or him). > > Abu Ayman > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Faiza Hassan <antihongo@gmail. com> > To: mlalahoi@googlegrou ps.com > Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 2:36:18 PM > Subject: Re: Two Bomb Attacks in Uganda, Muslims of course responsible > > No, No those are not Muslims. They are Wahhabis. These are real > extremists. Muslims are peace loving people. They don't carry out > suicide bombing. Alqaida, Alshabab and Talibans are Wahhabis. The like > of hambarr, Twalib and others. > > On 7/12/10, Paul Konyango <daddiepaul2001@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> Lovely people; >> >> Two simultaneous attacks in Uganda just killed innocent people (64) in >> number. >> Now a stupid 'sheikh' in Somalia is happy with it saying they deserved it. >> Honestly the so called zealous peace loving Muslims should really open >> their >> eyes and see the fruits their religion is yielding. The Bible says that >> you >> will >> know them by their fruits and that is what is happening. I'm really >> offended >> by >> this act and hope that immediate action will be taken against the Alshabab >> militia group in Somalia since they have not denied responsibility of the >> attacks. I just had to voice this out as its a cowardly act. This Islam >> religion >> should be outlawed in the world since its such a hostile religion. >> Christianity >> preaches peace and love. 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