Re: NTIMAMA AND K

Jonah,

 

How can you be proud that people have been told rather than people know what they are voting on? You for instance, do you know why you are saying NO or is it because "you listen to your pastor better than politicians" as you claim below?

 

Otieno Sungu

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From: Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com>
To: mlalahoi mlalahoi <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 10:58:23 AM
Subject: RE: NTIMAMA AND K

Kibaya
The mzee who appears on TV speaking im Kisii language that anaunga mkono katiba is from home and is KANU chairman. I met him in a funeral ceremony on 20th July 2010 where he was the funeral committee chairman. He says they are waiting for campaign money from Government to eat BUT come voting day, kura ni NO. A prominent who preached during the burial service asked people to vote NO at the referendum and to which all the people present clapped in concurrence. Pastors have done a commendable job selling the NO side. I'm not sure if chiefs, sub-chiefs, DC and PSs will undo what the pastors have done. Local people listen to their pastors more than they will to a politician. Some of the politicians may not even make it in 2012. If anyone is doubting, just read one of the local daily newspaper today. You will notice that the PSs are finding it a difficult task to sell the YES product in Kisii.
 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:39:36 -0700
From: me_benji@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: NTIMAMA AND K
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
CC: kibaya@aol.com; jonahogaro@hotmail.com

Ogaro and Kibaya, I've got news for you. YES side will win, my only doubts being esp Eastern province and if that goes awry the kamba chief (VP) will have to take responsibility for that.  The NO side has poked holes in everything and exploited fear and uncertainty which is natural when one is unsure. But as time passes and Kenyans think about it more and more, there is everything to gain from passing the document and moving the country forward. Ruto has so many issues coming up, and complex ones. We aren't worried about him, he aint no hero. Credit to Moi for his consistency, has a great vision to shackle Kenya to KANU-ism and politics of 1983. Cheers! p.s Flying a recupertating 65 year old around the country is not the same as him sitting at home receiving delegations. So stop with the conspiracy theories. the principals together on this issue, equals a win. --- On Wed, 7/21/10, kibaya@aol.com <kibaya@aol.com> wrote: From: kibaya@aol.com <kibaya@aol.com> Subject: Re: NTIMAMA AND K To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:08 AM   Folks,  Take Ogaro's assessment and projections seriously. The tell-tale signs of who is panicking and employing desperate tactics are written all over the YES camp. From illegally engaging civil servants in partisan campaigns, forcing provincial administration to campaign for a document that calls for their re-deployment, to hiring goons to disrupt NO rallies; it's all too evident for those keen on digging deeper than provided by cooked-up opinion polls, that YES is in deep trouble.    And as I opined earlier, the consumers of NSIS intelligence data (mostly YES stalwarts) know this and may have made peace with it. I project that central and eastern provinces will vote massively in the NO column. All the activity you see with the Yes teams in Central is all geared towards expending the available liquidity (and there is plenty of it!) and oiling campaign machines by incumbent mps for 2012.   Listen to them and you'll know they're not serious..Michuki says he's in YES team to help a friend in trouble, somebody else says they need to vote YES to please Kibaki by giving him some legacy! Central province voters are the most independent/informed lot in the republic and rarely do they vote to please anybody or on instructions from anybody. Ask Kamotho, or Uhuru himself, even with the Kenyatta name; the people will only follow you if your positions align with their interests. The church is also very powerful here and virtually no politician ever locks horns with it.   Now, the church and NO team are pointing out specific, offensive clauses in the proposed constitution. To respond to these with generalities like we're hearing from Kibaki, Uhuru and Kalonzo, or laughable reasons like ones advanced by Michuki or kimunya simply tells you these guys are not serious. But they have to be seen going round; otherwise how do you tap into the millions set aside for the exercise without beeing seen in Muranga, Kiambu, etc? How does SK Macharia tap into the hundreds of millions set aside for marketing/advertisements without the airing the stuff he's airing or conducting the road shows?  Me thinks it's all about money my friends...pesa iko lazima ikuliwe! Isn't there a saying that you don't bury an elephant with it's tusks?       Good thing: all the political actors have read it correctly this time round. A NO win does not threaten anybody; in fact everybody wins. Ruto cements his political supremacy in RV but nothing more, Moi re-invents his relevance in RV after the disastrous 2007 routing, Kalonzo and Uhuru still retain their home turf supremacies, Raila insulates himself against reaping blame for the results, by receding from the front lines and leaving it to Kibaki. Don't tell me Tinga is not well enough to hit the road; if he can host the many mtgs we're witnessing at his home, he can surely be flown into meetings and give short speeches. It's all tactical; they're not going to catch him flat footed like they did in mau...Kudos Tinga for this tactical positioning!    Kibaki loses nothing. In fact he wins by defeating the muzungu's ill conceived crusade (In kibaki and moi's minds this constitution writing thing is mzungu idea, and we all know how much they loathe such). Kibaki has become a master of winning by losing/appearing to lose and this could be one such moment..     Kibaya  -----Original Message----- From: Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com> To: mlalahoi mlalahoi <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:23 pm Subject: RE: NTIMAMA AND K I'm not worried of Ntimama declaration. Those are the kicks of a dying horse and the losing YES team. Today as I was going to Kisii, I passed through Mai Mahiu and a Chief complete in uniform asked me for a lift to go and attend a DCs meeting at Narok. He told us that most of the Maasai's are in the NO side. They have declared that Ruto must be allowed to attend Suswa meeting at Suswa OR else the King of Maasai will not be allowed also in the constituency. And by the way, why hasn't Mzalendo taken up Ntimama for hate speech. I was attending a funeral today in my home area in Kisii. My enquiry confirmed that the NO is carrying the day. Those in the YES they better prepare to join the NO after referendum to come up with a good constitution. Nd Omtatah, thank you for your articles. They have beefed up my civic education materials which I'm dishing out to people in my home area. The NO will win unless we get a Kivuitu type surprise. > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:52:03 +0300 > Subject: Re: NTIMAMA AND K > From: amosogal@gmail.com > To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com > > All Ntimama said was that Suswa is a sacred place for the Maa > community! Its not a place for every Moi, Raila, Ruto to go and hold > rallies. They must seek the permission of Maa leaders! > > Otherwise,something similar to what happen when Raila was installed as > a Maa leader will happen again! > > > > > On 7/20/10, Justice Kirwok <kirwok@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > If you recently listened to Ntimama's speech prohibiting the NO > > campaigners from doing their campaigns at Suswa, and also Njenga > > Karume's speech in Molo about LAND then you can never be convinced > > further that they are purely bloody hate speeches. > > > > With this kind of trend, especially these guys being immune to > > Kubunja's commission(or inspired by NCIIC?) I have lost the last hope > > of seeing a peaceful Kenya after referendum whether the YES or NO > > wins. > > > > J. 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