Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

Dear All

Guys only those who do not know what they want in the new constitution can be discouraged by the US ambassador's support for the constitution. Probably we have forgotten the role Hempstone played in the 1990s for the same course. These are simply excuses! Good governance and Good Constitutions cannot be judged otherwise by global standards. They cannot be hidden under the cloak of national sovereignty!  

Cheers

Charles Oyaya

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From: jt okinda <archjt2004@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 13:23:40
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale

Mbare,

I tend to agree  with you that this Constitution is ours and us alone should be the ones to vote for it. The US ambassador should as a matter of courtesy stop being over involved lest he kills the spirit of kenyans to vote for the draft.

    okinda jt

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From: Otieno Mbare <ombare@abo.fi>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; gideon ayodo <gidiayodo@yahoo.com>
Cc: KCA <kca_main@yahoogroups.com>; newvision <NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com>; Kenya Forum <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>; net-kenya@yahoogroups.com; Young Kenyan <youngkenyansforchange@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 4:19:39 PM
Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale


I think it's really wrong for any foreign ambassador or country to show too much interest in the constitution of another country. Much as we would like to have a new constitution, it's dangerous for foreign governments to show this kind of direct involvement. In fact, in developed countries, this is enough ground to have the constitution rejected by the people. The underlying argument would be that the constitution was not meant for the ordinary Kenyan who have been in the forefront for calls for a new dawn. We need a new constitution but people should not exploit our desperateness to give us a bad constitution - a constitution that is going to give too many rights that are repugnant with the African cultures or a constitution that borrows heavily from western constitutions and values. It's therefore important that people carefully read the document in order to understand the full import of the draft. Let's be rational and allow all shades of different opinions show that we can, as a nation, have a constitution that will stand the test of time!

Otieno Mbare




Quoting gideon ayodo <gidiayodo@yahoo.com>:

> I fully support the move.......while in Kitale he neva told pple to  vote yes or no but he urged Kenyans to practice their democratic  rights.....I believed he would have no problem accompanying the No  campaign if the team had created good evironment for that
>
> Secondly, some of the pple in No camp are the same pple who were  helped by the US embassy when they were being hunted.......when  Kenya was not the country we know now
>
> Regard
>
>
>
> "The secret of success in life is for a man to be ready for his
>
> opportunity when it comes."
>
> --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: USA ambassador join the Yes campaign in Kitale
> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
> Cc: "KCA" <kca_main@yahoogroups.com>, "newvision"  <NewVisionKenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Kenya Forum"  <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>, net-kenya@yahoogroups.com,  "Young Kenyan" <youngkenyansforchange@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 9:52 PM
>
> Do you know the number of Kenyans who were involved in Obama
> campaigns! DO you know how many conservative NGOs supporting the NO
> team! Again, are you aware that America has been part and parcel of
> the agitation for reforms in this country!
>
> Let them help us with civic education! Those whose visas were revoked
> should fight their own wars without involving us!
>
> On 7/13/10, Tim Arnold <tim472@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This the unacceptable n should stop immediately. How can he join the
>> Yes campaign in Kitale be a guest speaker n campaign for the draft.
>> Since when is it the US gov policy to pick side between Kenya's n
>> contribute in the disunity of our country. USAID is funding the
>> grassroots campaigns. I've never seen this anywhere else in the world.
>> No wonder the US has dropped below the top 10 in trade in the country.
>> They are busy in politics.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 7/13/10, Justice Kirwok <kirwok@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
>>> We have just received the news from Pwani that Zipapah is still the man of
>>> the day and king of the Coast.
>>> I wont add a word here coz its all spoken and prayed for. ODM: Please
>>> avoid
>>> direct nominations.
>>>
>>> Now about the draft constitution, I have dressed green all along as I
>>> read,
>>> meditated upon and sought interpretation of the many articles both by own
>>> understanding and with the help of experts including the Committee of
>>> Errors
>>> *aka* Experts of Committees *aka* Committee of Experts or simply COE
>>>
>>> The conclusion is that there are so many individualistic vested interests
>>> out to take the ownership of the country plus its people in the name of
>>> the
>>> flawed proposed constitution.This is if we do not stop and take
>>> appropriate
>>> action before we move ahead, that is :
>>>
>>> TUIANGUSHE TUREKEBISHE KISHA TUIPITISHE.
>>>
>>> Kindly refer to the attached documents which well wishers for this country
>>> read to me.
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