Maurice
hebu dhania; just recently one Raila odinga, while urging Kenyans to support the Draft Constitution, noted that there were some people who on the contrary were urging Kenyans to reject the draft because the kadhi Courts was in it. Well, Odinga noted that it was interesting to not that While these people were urging Kenyans to reject the Constitution on these grounds, they were failing to realize that the Old Constitution had Kadhi Courts and whether they rejected the new one, they were still Going to end up with the Old one with the same Kadhi Courts.
He thus Concluded that, just as Jesus said one time in his preachings,........."Forgive them Father for they know not what they are doing." I believe this sums up many of these confused email postings that you see here in the forum. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
At Promulgation, the same Raila Odinga gave a Fumbo of "Kitendawili." Here many Kenyans failed to get his Fumbo, but what he was referring to, is that in Kenya we have two types of people. The first type, are those who are like Bats. These have very poor visions for the Country and are most of the time misled, or themselves, mislead people into darkness, so they move blindly in darkness.
The other type of people arelike "Ndumakwira." These are the resilient Kenyans who, even after going through hardships, and being left for dead, completely finished (swallowed by a Jogoo), would still survive through that turmoil and bounce back to life and live on. The Constitution thus, was the gift given to those who had gone through turmoil, but were now bouncing back to life again.
Lomor here, to me, falls in the Bats category, for his Vision is small, thus he walks in darkness without knowing.
Have a Ndumakwira day, won't you?!!!! Au siyoo
Jagem
From: maurice oduor <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 4:48:16 PM
Subject: Re: The Kalenjin Community
Lomor,
Is this the extent of your intellectual analysis? It always amazes me that there are people around with this kind of thinking. Just amazing.
Courage,Maurice
From: Lomor Emmy Loka <LOKA@unhcr.org>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 2:54:18 PM
Subject: Re: The Kalenjin Community
Hi
I have been following your arguments on the referendum and i feel that
some issues cannot be let without some challenge.The Kalenjin have no
apologies whatsoever in having voted NO in the past constitutional
referendum.Indeed they walk tall and proud as they've always had because
they passed a point even though they did not win a majority in the
referendum which was skewed in favour of the YES camp.We join the rest
of Kenya in celebrations and look foward to a prosperous Kenya.
Indeed the constitution has several flaws which both the YES and No
camps including the church and the so called "EXPERTS" agreed as
contentious that needed to be looked into.Another point of correction is
that we are not following Ruto blindly but for his principles and
courage to fight for fairness.This is unlike the Luos who are more of
bootlikers of the Odinga family.Where are the likes of Rahael Tuju and
Ochilo Ayako who dared stand their ground against the so called
'Tinga'???
We are a proud people and we shall back Ruto to the last man come the
next election and believe me we have several options on whom to partner
with to continue governing our beloved Kenya.
If i may take you back to history,it was the Kikuyu and other
communities in Central who really fought the British while the Kalenjin
fought them on this end.The Luos were merely used during punitive
expeditions to help the British quell the rebelions.Well seems the
traitor game didnt start with the current generation.What a pity!
>>> Ken Okada <kokada69@yahoo.co.uk> 08/30/10 4:49 PM >>>
I have been a participant in matters politics for a long while now. And
i am a true believer in democratic practise both spirit and principle.
That the Kalenjins who voted No had a right to make that decision is
obvious. What appears apparent from my discussions with most of them is
that they didn't quite vote NO because of the positives and negatives
that were contained in the draft( now constitution) but rather to prove
a point and puss some political lessons to perceived opponents
politically. I can understand their pain at watching the whole world
celebrate the passing of the new constitution. My point is this, for a
while the Luos were accused of blindly following the Odingas, i cant
seem to understand a whole community picking up an individuals selfish
personal drive for power becoming an issue for the all the kalenjins.
This disparacy and anger will be your demise and God for bit that you
stay out of power for another five years, just because of
one mans hunger for power. What is the anger about and how can the
whole community get so desperate they are ready to sleep with the devil
for revenge. Aren't their any more sober people in that area?
--- On Wed, 25/8/10, Mathews Ng'ong'ah <ngongabm@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Mathews Ng'ong'ah <ngongabm@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: : RAILA IS HOUNDING A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW - MBARE OTIENO PHD,
PROFESSOR
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 25 August, 2010, 14:54
Dan,
How I wish you could realize that there is nothing wrong with what you
call Luo Nyanza. The people there are just as good/bad as any Kenyan
from whatever spot you may imagine. So whatever each individual in Luo
Nyanza thinks/says should be judged similarly democratically. The
efforts to stigmatize or stereotype them is wrong, unless you can prove
crime in what they are doing.
Regards
BM.
--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Daniel moiko <dmoiko@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Daniel moiko <dmoiko@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: : RAILA IS HOUNDING A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW - MBARE OTIENO PHD,
PROFESSOR
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 12:06 AM
@Paul Nyandoto, you go calling Dr Mbare a bitter man yet i see it is you
who very misinformed. From what i have read and followed on the politics
just prior to the referendum vote till now, we have been reading just
what Dr Mbare has written about.
If people do not accept that we can agree
to disagree, then i do not
know what kind of democracy we arewhat is so wrong with other ODM politicians holding a divergent view
from what the party states??, and is that is the case, where would you
put the almost 3 million kenyans who voted against the constitution???
Do you then dump them somewhere in the indian ocean because they went
against the wishes of the President of the republic.
it is very correct that there is something very wrong with Luo Nyanza,
and it is high time they stopped looking at some of their leaders the
way they do. It is like following someone blindly irrespective of whther
the guy leads you right into a pit.
As a sane and intelligent person, it is very important to be critical of
what you hear and what you then do, isnt it what happened with most
christians?? they just did not follow thier leaders blindly, they were
able to judge and arrive at what their hearts led them to do.
So Paul, dont just write anything without first looking at the facts
that have been laid out beofre you, it is high time you stopped
idolising the person you are idolising, you looked really misinformed.
Dan
From: milu muyanga <wamuyanga@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 8:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: : RAILA IS HOUNDING A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW - MBARE OTIENO PHD,
PROFESSOR
Okinda,
I admire the maturity with which you have approached this issue. I also
admire the way you guys are organizing, other counties definitely have
lessons to learn from you.
***************************************
"I have spoken, now you can kill me". Manundu Mbindyo, Kyatune
From: jt okinda <archjt2004@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 8:28:45 AM
Subject: Re: : RAILA IS HOUNDING A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW - MBARE OTIENO PHD,
PROFESSOR
Milu,
The issues Dr. Otieno Mbare raised are very pertinent. Democracy
dictates tolerance to other people`s view points whether you are in
agreement or not.Nyanza leadership must wake up to the reality that
Kenyans will move on with or without them. They have to be tolerant to
alternative opinions.
I was amused yesterday to read a piece from Jakoyo Midiwo that those who
took the no position on the referendum will not be part of the
implementation process. This is laughable because kenyans of all shades
were in agreement that some sections of the draft required amendments.
There were those who expressed a need for amendment before the votes.
People like us felt we could pass the draft and look at various sections
later for possibility of amendments. It does not require much learning
to appreciate that not all Kenyans could vote yes. Their no votes does
not make them less of Kenyans!
While Otieno is not with us on the ground, we
are busy working out strategies to ensure the new county concept gives
room for all of us to contribute our part in building a stable and
prosperous region for all the inhabitants. There has been several
meetings among the professionals from Migori and Homabay to work out
appropriate strategy for Political management of the two counties
without outside influence. Those of us from the Siaya county will be
meeting early next month to work out modalities of managing our new
county. One thing which is clear is that people demand fairness in the
distribution of resources and political posts. All have agreed that we
shall support Raila for President come 2012. Bondo is therefore
politically covered within the county. We expect Gem,Alego/Usonga,
Ugenya/Uholo,Rarieda to occupy the remaining posts of Senator, Governor,
Deputy Governor, Women Senator, Youth Representative. We believe we have
the numbers to get us through come 2012.
We expect this time
round that we do not have to look over our shoulders and endorse
candidates on the basis of a godfather. All who expect to lead must be
their own people capable of standing up on their own!
OKINDA JT
From: milu muyanga <wamuyanga@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@go
oglegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 5:36:27 AM
SubjWhile Dr. Otieno Mbare is not known to me personally, I am afraid he is
raising very important issues here. Mr. Paul Nyandoto seems to know Dr.
Mbare very well and deliberately wants to divert our attention to some
personal issues. He should start another thread on the character of Dr.
Mbare. Can members comment on the substance contained in Dr.Mbare's
posting.
***************************************
"I have spoken, now you can kill me". Manundu Mbindyo, Kyatune
From: Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com; awachtin@yahoo.com
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 2:18:09 PM
Subject: : RAILA IS HOUNDING A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW - MBARE OTIENO PHD,
PROFESSOR
Otieno Mbare BSc, Msc,PHD etc.
I am not a politician and I do not want to be a politician. I have
already politicians from my family tree and I know what politics is,
so me I have chosen a different line: I advice you to leave begging
people like Raila to help you jump into parliament. You are a biter man
who have failed I do not know how many times to go to parliament and it
looks that your last hope was Raila and when Raila did not give you the
TOSHA word he gave Kibaki you are now hitting
almost every corner for revange. Just a minute !! by the way when you
wanted Raila to give you Tosha word what were you thinking?. Is that not
the wrong things you are now criticising below here . In other words you
are just a patient in denial or what?. I must have missed the diagnosis
thanks for clearing the air. If the ODM party is such a joke why can n`
you form another party with Ruto I hear you are friends even in
conversation privately. Look at even how you reason; what the hell are
you going to do in parliament with such mentality?. Infact one chap in
this forum said that most of the Phd holders are the worst leaders who
can not even lead a company, I thought he was joking but now I do
support him. Be worried when most people agree with you but take more
care when everybody is against you,especially your posting below here:
Paul Nyandoto
From: Kasipul Kabondo <,>
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Press Release: Post-Referendum and Party Discipline
Post-Referendum and Party Discipline
After the much-talked about referendum was over, Kenyans in all corners
of the republic of Kenya breathed a sigh of relief that after all the
name calling and finger pointing, everything went peacefully. That's
what Kenyans have been yawning for. It's therefore in order to
congratulate those who spearheaded the YES campaigns and equally
congratulate those who championed the NO crusade. Democracy requires
that people hold divergent views even though they may come from the same
party.
It's against this background that a considerable number of Kenyans find
it rather odd that the ODM party is calling for a disciplinary action on
members of the party who had expressed contrary views to that of the
party. I have said it many times that the referendum was not a party
issue but rather, a national issue that required thorough reading,
understanding and proper interpretation on how the new law will impact
on your life and that of posterity before casting your vote. The call
for disciplinary action by ODM is therefore na?ve and borders on
ignorance – it negates the very essence of a referendum; it's a call
that flies with its filth in the face of democracy yet it's emanating
from the very party
which touts itself as the custodian of democracy in
Kenya. I think ODM need to borrow a leaf from PNU which also
had critics oThere was no winner or loser in the referendum. We need to tolerate and
accommodate all the views as a young democracy. We might think we are
instilling discipline yet we are just destroying our party.
ODM as a party has been on a self-destruction-path just immediately
after signing the national accord that paved way for power sharing. Most
MPs in ODM lack proper judgment; they are intolerant and; are not ready
for rational discourse. This attitude by mostly Nyanza MPs has alienated
many supporters of the party from Coast to Kisii; and from Rift Valley
to Eastern. Surely, how does ODM expect to get any national following
after descending on all their support bases with such vehemence? Someone
needs to advise the party that you cannot expect to run the party like
"buch jodong aich" (baraza la miji kumi) and expect Kenyans to
provide support again. That can only happen in Luo-Nyanza where people
go with any euphoria and recollect themselves later after electing bad
leaders. As a person from Nyanza, we need men
and women who can transact business on our behalf with others from
other communities – not characters who are hell-bent on alienating us
from the rest of other Kenyans!
The hard-line positions being taken by some Nyanza MPs indicate that
majority of these leaders badly need civic education. Some of these
leaders are highly learned but lack education on how democracy works.
They should understand that people will always have different opinions
in a democracy and that is why Kenyans have been fighting for more
democratic space in the country. It's a pity that Nyanza leaders were at
the forefront agitating for democracy in Kenya but a visit to my Nyanza
backyard will tell you that Nyanza believes in a One-Party dictatorship –
our people don't believe in democracy! They called president Moi names
and all sorts of epithets – but they are stuck in a one-party
dictatorship. In short, our people have not understood the meaning of
multi-partism! If they believe, you would
have seen different results in the just concluded referendum. Anyone
doubting my assertions only need to check the way Nyanza voted compared
to the rest of the country (even the Rift Valley which was the strong
hold of NO), and you will agree with me that a lot of civic education is
needed in Nyanza. Nyanza has many good leaders but our political culture
(the culture of patronage and intimidation) has not allowed these sons
and daughters of Ramogi to provide acceptable leadership. It's the same
bad political culture that some leaders are trying to export to the
national politics. ODM will soon become a Luo party if some Nyanza
leaders are not tamed!
Dr. Otieno Mbare, Finland
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Otieno Mbare, P.hD (Econ & Bus.Adm)
Research Fellow, ?bo Akademi University &
Lecturer, Turku University of Applied Sciences
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