| The international community behaves like when we were little children and we could threaten our friends not to talk with those who offended us lest they don't get any share of our goodies bought to us by mumy. We out grew this when we became adults. Even if it was wrong for bashir to be invited to Kenya, it was not also wise for him to be arrested lest we provoke neighborhood war. Bashir allies in Sudan would have started with Kenyan investors in Sudan and the international community would have not gone there to protect them. Raila is a wise and peaceful man and ordering the arrest could have put his wisdom in doubt. How many a time are we offended by an individual but the little wisdom we have tells us to let it go and will not reduce our status in the society? I neither support Bashir coming for the promulgation ceremony and neither do I support his arrest and I am not a "popo" the bat Raila referred to. -------Original Message------- Date: 31/08/2010 14:43:13 Subject: Re: [NVK-Mageuzi] WHY DIDN'T RAILA ORDER THE ARREST OF BASHIR Steven, I was going to respond to this but I decided not to. First of all the title of the thread lacks logic. Those who invited Bashir have defended this action in public and are not apologetic about it. Amolo is the most senior politician so far to repudiate and condemn that invitation. I have to give it to you bro, you're political material. You sure know how to spin propaganda. Wetang'ula and State House conspired to invite Bashir, did not inform Amolo, defended their action even as Amolo came out strongly to speak against this invitation, and yet somehow Amolo should be to blame!! Amazing logic, just amazing. I just hope you are not an academic. It would be very sad if you are. Courage, Maurice Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
From: Steven Maina <miasexx@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:39:26 +0000 (GMT) To: <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>; <NVK-Mageuzi@yahoogroups.com>; Fiona Mati<nyciv@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com Cc: Mlalahoi Google-Groups<mlalahoi@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [NVK-Mageuzi] WHY DIDN'T RAILA ORDER THE ARREST OF BASHIR
The comments made are all thoughtful but have one basic flaw- the constant assumption that Raila was indeed (and is always!) unaware of what happens in government. If indeed he is ineffectual, in the dark and unaware of important matters, then we must ask ourselves why he is still hanging in there! And, as Mr Obonyo rightly says, if he is truly for Kenya, he and his troops (and I mean troops!) should (peacefully!) resign and precipitate a constitutional coup, ostensibly, for the good of the country. BUT! I can bet my bottom dollar that will not happen because the original assumption on the saintliness of Mr Odinga is fatally flawed. We need new, fresh leaders, not Stone Age populist tribal chiefs like him and his ilk
From: elijah agevi <agevi2007@yahoo.co.uk>
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Many thanks Ochieng and Philo for being so candid and to the point. You have made my day! How I wish we could all follow your examples in discussions in this and other fora. Yes we must surely put on different lenses if we are to navigate this country to greater heights. Have a truly new constitutional spirit Regards Elijah Agevi
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| Well said Philo. It is amazing, seriously annoying and utterly disturbing to note the emergent intrigues and side-shows ostensibly to impugn the emerging constitutional spirit. Impunity is unacceptable in all forms whether local, regional or international but there is need for clarity, objectivity and honesty in grappling with the intricate web of impunity and corruption. Ordinarily, the networks of impunity divert peoples attention whenever they are about to do something nasty. Dedan kimathi, Pio gama Pinto, Tom Mboya, Adungosi, JM Kariuki, Bishop Alexander Muge and many other Freedom Fighters fell victims of nasty schemes. Jesus must therefore not be crucified for a second time. This time round, life must prevail over death!It is therefore time to do the right thing by affirming that right is might in as much as good overwhelms evil and that old ways of malice, treachery, blackmail, injustice, dishonesty and sheer insensitivity to the suffering of others will not suffice again. Indeed it is time to reclaim with honor and happiness what has been taken away, looted and even destroyed in shame and sorrow! Kenyans have been treated to comic opera tirades and manipulations of tragic proportions for far too long. Freedom Fighters have been humiliated, shamed and ostracized. Others have either been killed, maimed or destroyed. We continue to witness similar schemes aimed at destroying Freedom Fighters and Kenyans of goodwill. We must all in unison resist such attempts and machinations. As a Founding Father of the 2nd Republic, I assert with firmness, the need to pay homage in strict fidelity to both the letter and spirit of the new constitution. Let us therefore surge a head with the proper implementation of the constitution and do so we must with focus, goodwill and purpose. God bless & best wishes always,
Ochieng M.K
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--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Philo Ikonya <philonikonya@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Philo Ikonya <philonikonya@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [NVK-Mageuzi] WHY DIDN'T RAILA ORDER THE ARREST OF BASHIR To: NVK-Mageuzi@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 8:13 AM Obonyo,
At some stage we will have to either believe and act on the wisdom of the truth setting us free... or stop quoting Scripture when we are in trouble.
We have not faced the truth in Kenya. Not about the elections, those who died, those who were raped, the disappeared, the wives we have or do not have, our power sharing and now our commitment to the rule of law.
Philo
Vuvuzela, vuvuzela!
washa i moyo!
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, barack abonyo <luo31@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: barack abonyo <luo31@hotmail.com> Subject: [NVK-Mageuzi] WHY DIDN'T RAILA ORDER THE ARREST OF BASHIR To: "newvision" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, newvisionkenya@egroups.com, "youngprofessionals" <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>, "africa-oped@yahoogroups.com" <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>, nvk-mageuzi@yahoogroups.com, dickens.odhiambo@gmsi.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:55 PM Dear All
If only Raila had some powers in this government, if Raila is indeed the prime minister of the republic of Kenya, could he not have ordered/demanded an immediate arrest of Bashir? And if he actually orderd the police commisioner to do that and nothing happened could that be considered as insurbodination. If Raila was really the prime minister of the republic of Kenya could he have known that a head of state is comming to the country where he shares equal powers with the president? How can Moses Watengula know something while Raila is kept in the dark? Do we have two parrallel governements in our country?
Ladies and gentlmen, we are being set up for chaos. We do not have a government. We simply have a clan led by the twelve desciples of the devil himself. Our elected leaders have no idea what goes on. Instaed of acting they are crying back to us and yet we have no defense. That is why many of us are still IDPS. This Bashir thing is more seriouse that just the hague. It digs deep to the core of our government and it is an indicator that we are a failed state run by three or four people. If the prime minister has no idea what is going on in his own government then who should know?
How bad does it have to get before one says enough is enough? Who is really in charge of Kenya? It appears this government can easily be taken over by hooligans under this confusion. With the immense support Raila has, it is time he be respected or else he should quit the coalition. The coalition is a hoax. There is no cooperation. How long must Raila continue crying to the public instaed of saying enough is enough?
The constitution has been passed. This should be the straw that broke the camels back. It is time for Raila to mobilize his group when he is still popular and call for elections so that is ruled by an elected president. Kibaki has something up his sleeves and he need to be stopped before it is too late. We do not want chaos, we need peace and cooperation and I think it is time for people to go back to the ballot box.
Dr. Barack Otieno Abonyo
Associate Professor of Pharmacology
College of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences
Florida A and M University
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