Wednesday, August 11, 2010

Re: *** Referendum -- Kenya has "MANY GODS"

Zachary and Charles, Thumbs up.

Harry, thanks for your piece. If u have researched our church leaders well you will discover that they, most of the time, speak their word-their own word-then try to use the Bible to support their word. In other words they are not interested in the word of God for its own sake but so that it can lend credence to what they want us to do FOR THEM.

I case in point is the issue of tithes. I have no doubt in my mind that the bible asks people to tithe. In the Mosaic books especially Deutronomy, Leviticus and Numbers, God through Moses instructs the Israelites to tithe a tenth of their produce. Our church leaders are very happy to quote this when they ask, sorry ORDER, us to give THEM our tithe. They do not tell us the whole story about tithe. that there is a third year tithe, most of which goes to them(as the present day Levites) and the rest of it which we are supposed to eat and drink with the levites, the widows and orphans, the strangers etc. We are supposed to celebrate with them not to just give them to go and buy flashy cars.

To go back to your post Harry, I am happy to tell you that the church voted 'YES'. The 'messenger' told the church to vote 'NO' but the Church chose to vote yes. Its time the so called 'leaders' knew that they do not monopolise access to God and His word and that the faithful are now fully awake. They know the voice of their shepherd and will not fall for the schemes of rogue shepherds.






Mwawasi



On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Charles Kanja <charles.kanja@gmail.com> wrote:
A nice article to add to this point on gods

Which God Do You Serve

Excerpt From a book by Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel

First of all, the Bible declares that when Jabez prayed, he "called on the God of Israel" (I Chronicles 4:10). What God do you call upon when you pray?

I've met people who live very carelessly and recklessly. From outward observances they lead very sinful lives. When we start talking and they realize that I'm a minister, they usually interject, "I know that I'm not living like I should, but I pray every night. I never go to sleep without saying my prayers."

When these people pray, "Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray thee Lord..." - whom are they addressing? Who is the true "Lord" of their lives?

"Lord" is not so much a name as it is a title. People serve many different gods, many different lords. Who is the lord of your life? It's important to know the one you're addressing in your prayers. Jesus said that not all who say, "Lord, Lord" are going to enter the kingdom of heaven.

God told Jeremiah that when the people of Israel call to Him, He would no longer hear them. The next time they're in trouble, they were not to ask God for help. Let them call on the gods that they've been serving" (Jeremiah 11:12). Thus when Israel cried, "O god, help us." They might be calling Baal, or Molech, or Ashtoreth.

It's a tragic day when God finally says to a man, "I've had it! You've lived a careless life and you've worshipped and served everything but Me, but when you're in trouble you call on Me. Next time you're in trouble, just call on the gods you've been serving."

Your god is really the supreme passion of your life. For instance, many people today worship and serve their intellects. "To know and to understand," they say, "is the greatest good. I cannot accept the idea of a supreme being because I do not believe in anything I cannot bring into the confines of my mind." Therefore, when they pray, "O god," they're actually praying to their own intellects.

In ancient times people named and worshipped a multitude of gods. But we're too sophisticated today to give ancient names to our gods. A person today might serve his passions but, if asked who his god is, he wouldn't say, "Venus, the goddess of love." He'd just say, "I'm a lover. I believe a person should seek the best things of life. Love is the ultimate. Therefore, to make love is the chief goal of man." When he cries, "O god," he might as well be crying "O Venus!"

There are others who deify the pleasure principle. They live and work the entire week with one thing on their mind: the weekend. "Friday night we'll get in the camper - with the three wheeler on the back, the boat on top, and the dune buggy behind - and we'll head out for the river! Wow, what a weekend we'll have!" All week long they're thinking of the thrills, excitement, and pleasures they'll have on the weekend. Every night they tinker around at home in preparation to go Friday night.

There was an ancient faith whose believers also worshipped pleasure. They called their god Molech. Many people today, when they cry "O God," are actually crying to Molech because, in reality, he is their god.

There are others who deify the power principle. "Might is right." They seek to possess and to have. They're constantly scheming to get more money in order to get more possessions. Their minds are always analyzing how to cut this, increase that, invest here or there. They take second jobs. Their interests are centered around money, money, and more money. This is the worship of the old god Mammon. When these people are in trouble, they cry, "O god!" But their god Mammon can't hear.

It's important to realize that the prospect of your prayers being answered is totally dependent upon the one whom you petition. You might tell me, "Chuck, I need one hundred thousand dollars. You don't know how desperately I need it. If I don't get it, I don't know what I'm going to do!"

You could plead with me for a whole week, two weeks, or two years, but you don't have a chance of getting that amount from me. I just don't have it. You're petitioning someone who has no power or capacity to answer.

When the prophets of Baal were beseeching their god to send fire to their altar, they cried all morning. "O Baal, send fire!" But there was no fire. About noon Elijah said, "Fellows, I bet the problem is that your god has gone someplace. Or else he's sleeping. Why don't you cry a little louder? Maybe then he'll hear you." They started crying louder, and soon they were cutting themselves and leaping on their altar to get Baal's attention! (I Kings 18:26-29). They could have gone on forever, and still no fire would have come down to consume their sacrifice. Why? Because their god had no capacity to answer.

Deification of love, money, pleasure, or intellect is to deify impersonal, impotent forces. In the hour of real need these gods can produce nothing. But when I cry to Jehovah, the God of Israel, I know that he is able to do far more abundantly than all that I ask or think (Ephesians 3:20). There's no end to God's power. When I cry to Him, He is able to meet my needs. "One hundred thousand dollars?" He asks. "Is that all?" It's nothing for God to meet my need, no matter what it might be.

When Jehovah God is the agent I call upon, nothing is too difficult for Him. But if Venus, Molech, Mammon, or Baal are the agents I call upon to do a work, then I'm really in a bind. In the hour of real need, when I cry in desperation, they just aren't there to help.

Life is so empty for the people who live for pleasure. I've stood beside many people in their time of need. When their child is lying on a hospital bed and the doctor walks out of the operating room shaking his head, they look at me as if to say, "Do something, preacher!" Their god of pleasure is so empty at that time. He has so little comfort, help, or hope to offer.

But when you worship Jehovah and call upon Him as your Lord, it's glorious to know that He is able to help. And not only able to help, but willing and wanting to help.

Paul said to the Athenians on Mars Hill, that the God he wanted to talk to them about, the One they called the unknown God, is the One who created the heavens and the earth and everything in them. "In him we live, and move, and have our being" (Acts 17:22-28). That's the One I cry to when I call upon God - the One who rules me and is Lord of my life.

Charles

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Harry <hmumia@gmail.com> wrote:

Folks, G**********t
I have always challenged religion many a times in this forum. But today, i have a proposition. That is - Kenya has many GODS. Given the gusto with which messengers of God took different positions on the draft, starting with the Muslim clergy, who fully supported the document, a section of Christians who objected, and some who supported, and lastly the common mwananchi who voted YES/ NO, it can only mean that Kenya seems to be a country of many Gods.

 

The messengers of God are supposedly the bridge between God and man. They relay Gods message to man either through visions, dreams, miracles, prophesies etc. So lets evaluate some of the messengers of God and what each God told them to do:-
 
  • The God, to whom Cardinal John Njue reports sent a clear message:- Vote NO. This is a funny God in my view..... 
  • The Muslim God seemed happy with the draft. He adviced the long bearded Sheikhs to advice a YES vote for the musims....I kind of like this God...
  • The God who normally instructs Cannon Peter Karanja was a confused God. He rooted for a NO. This is the same God who talks to Pastor Lai.
  • The God of Bishop Pastor Dr. Margaret Wanjiru thought it wise to first make the JIAM messenger to loose the Starehe seat, since He wasn't happy with the multi-tasking Wanjiru was doing. But nevertheless He advised NO....i dont like this particular God..
There is my God, who ensured through whatever means that i vote YES. And your God who rooted for a NO.
 
I say again its time to choose which God to relate to, as Kenya seems to be the land of many Gods.....
 
Goddammmit....
 
 
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