So what does Kalenjins want from Raila?Tell them to read Romans 12:1 and 2.with the new constitution , the goverment must develop every region and not what Moi did for Luo Nyanza for over 20 years.Please avoid cheap politics and start thinking and acting positively.Otherwise Kales are good people.Gotab Kalenjin!
From: Chris Olola <c_olola@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 6:00:49 PM
Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they thought it was presidential election
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From: Chris Olola <c_olola@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 6:00:49 PM
Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they thought it was presidential election
Sarangonyi,
What the purpose of electing a leader? Shouldn't s\he be the one to give her\his constituents direction?
Chris.
From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 7:35:45 AM
Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they thought it was presidential election
Eric, If you were not voting for Raila and if you have really suffered and you wanted redemption from the old constitution, you should have voted for the 2005 draft. What were contentious in that draft? is it not the parliamentary system vs the presidential system? I know for sure that had Raila said NO, the whole of Luo Nyanza would have said NO. It has become a fact.... not an issue to be debated. Nyanza always waits for Agwambo to give direction, and all will fall on line.
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What the purpose of electing a leader? Shouldn't s\he be the one to give her\his constituents direction?
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From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 7:35:45 AM
Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they thought it was presidential election
Eric, If you were not voting for Raila and if you have really suffered and you wanted redemption from the old constitution, you should have voted for the 2005 draft. What were contentious in that draft? is it not the parliamentary system vs the presidential system? I know for sure that had Raila said NO, the whole of Luo Nyanza would have said NO. It has become a fact.... not an issue to be debated. Nyanza always waits for Agwambo to give direction, and all will fall on line.
On 8/9/10, Eric Wabwaya Mburi <ewabwaya@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kiprop,--
Mr. KipropThanks you saying you think Nyanza people were voting for Raila. So here i would like to inform you that it was not so. The Nyanza people are the ones who have suffered most under poor governance supported by bad constitution over the years and from successive governments. The people of Nyanza really know what they want in a good constitution which ensures good governance for every other Kenyan if not for them only. To say that Raila has been participating in arbitrary arrests of youths in Rift valley is to say that you are not aware who is the president of this country, and at worst not aware how the justice system works. How would you expect Raila to tell the police not to arrest people deemed by law to have committed atrocities which by the justice system are considered criminal.And only the president has the prerogative power to pardon those convicted by courts of law not the Prime minister as you may think. Ruto has his own war with Raila but never compare the people of Nyanza with rift valley in terms of anything. Nyanza people are far much ahead of rift-valley in virtually anything and everything let alone decision making in terms of what is good constitutionally or not for a people. When we had Chief Odera Kango whipping women and men to take children to school in the 50's no Kalenjin considered school anything to think about. Avoid creating friction among communities for nothing
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:31:28 +0300
Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they thought it was presidential election
From: kiprop.simion@gmail.com
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Dear All,
As much as you may criticize Eastern Province or Rift Valley or whichever Province.
I think Nyanza were Voting for Raila and Not really for the Constitution, the same case for the leaders in their respective provinces.
ALL IN ALL KENYANS IN TOTALITY VOTED RIGHT.
The idea of being on the same side with Raila didn't go down well with Kalenjin Community.
The perception is Raila doesnt have Interest of the Kalenjin Community at heart at based on.
- Kalenjin voted for him to the last man in 2007.
- He Mobilized them to fight for their rights in 2007, they went to far i guess.They thought they were fighting for a just course.
- He went against every issue against the community the Mau issue,arbitrary arrests of young men who were seriously beaten maimed or even shot...after the PEV..
- He has been fighting their man "Leader" in the name of Ruto, in the Maize scandal whereas infact he was chairing the committee,vote of no confidence and even sacking despite his Ministry of Agriculture doing well.
As much as you we might resist, Everyone has some Element of Tribalism in him/herself.." a sense of belonging"...It is the way we use it that matters..Positive Ethnicity.
I admire one man RAILA.He means well for the country.But politics .......
This is a Good Constitution, Let us make it happen.
" RUTO COULD BE A BETTER LEADER THAN RAILA IN THE NEW CONSTITUTIONAL DISPENSATION WHO KNOWS?....
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Jonathan Kertich <kertichj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lee,
> stop lies,Ruto never talked about Mau during the campaigns.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com>
> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 8:29:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they
> thought it was presidential election
>
> Korir,
>
> I come from the boarder (Belgut and Nyakach), and we share the same
> market every Wednesday and Friday (Sondu) and the Maize we use at home
> is from Kalenjin nation and they bring them to our "houses" in the
> village. So I want to tell you another lie that was peddled by Ruto
> and co to the Kalenjin Nation and I want Tim Arnold to deny since he
> is in record of denying everything!
>
> The Leaders of the Kalenjin Nation told the people of the Rift Valley
> that 1) this constitution is being pushed by Raila to take away their
> land, after he took away MAU 2). Raila has refused to release 20,000
> youths that he detained in 2008!
>
> Surely, do we deserve such leaders!
>
> On 8/8/10, Jagem K'Onyiego <jairuschurch@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Korir
>>
>> I apologize in advance if I will appear to be bold, but reading from your
>> narrative, on Porojo iliyo enezwa RV, let me ask this;
>> 1. What role did educated sons of the Rift valley "Boiseiks" do towards
>> making
>> sure that the Wazees from this area understood the written words in the
>> draft?
>> 2. Does it mean that many of these people chose to act daft to a point
>> they
>> just
>> "Blinded" themselves never to attempt even reading a paragraph in the
>> Draft?
>>
>> 3. Did they have to rely on this Mikoras to peddle these lies to them,
>> yet,
>> the
>> copy of the draft was available free on demand?
>>
>> My take is this, those who failed the Boisieks in RV are their sons and
>> daughters. These Wazees have toiled for years on end, in order for that
>> the
>> young ones to get a chance to go to school to learn, so that they can make
>> life
>> better for tomorrow. It is an obligation for these Young ones to have read
>> this
>> document and subsequently interpreted it to the Boisieks, so that in the
>> end
>> they would have made an informed decision. Apparently as it appears, a
>> large
>> percentage of those Old people voted, not based on accurate information,
>> but
>> based on "Fear Mongering" and "False information." This is morally wrong!
>> I
>> cannot imagine betraying my father/mother or grandfather to go against
>> something
>> that I know too well, will help uplift their livelihood. It is just plain
>> wrong.
>>
>> Lastly Korir, It is for you to go out there and inform the people on the
>> right
>> thing. You are duty bound to do that. That is the only way we are going to
>> have
>> progressive Leadership turn around in that area. Hongera na Katiba iije
>> haraka!
>>
>> Jagem
>> of
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: KENNEDY KORIR <korirken63@yahoo.com>
>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 3:20:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they
>> thought
>> it was presidential election
>>
>>
>> The Kalenjin community was fed with total falsehood all the way,
>> sample this;
>> "Siaya district and Kericho district have already been partnered,Upon the
>> proclaimation of the constituition by Kibaki all the boisiek(wazees) from
>> the
>> two districts will each be given an A4 size envelope to put their title
>> deeds
>> and and travel to the Nyayo stadium on an appointed date (mid - August).
>> The
>> Luos will sit on one side and the Kipsigis on the opposite, a government
>> official will then call out a Mr Onyango from Siaya and a Mr Koech from
>> Kericho,
>> they will then be asked to exchange the envelopes and immediately exit the
>> stadium to go and make arrangements to immediately move their respective
>> families to their new districts".
>> This is the falsehood the Kalenjjin leaders were peddling in the villages
>> and
>> from the results they were believed.
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>
>>>Subject: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they
>>> thought
>>> it
>>>was presidential election
>>>To: Dhiamby@aol.com, mlalahoi@googlegroups.com, jbatec@yahoo.com
>>>Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 12:03 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>Kenyans,
>>>
>>>You may not agree with me but just look at these figures:
>>>The 4th August new constitution voting pattern in 8 provinces:
>>>
>>>1. Rift valley YES-33%, NO=67%
>>>2. Eastern YES=56%, NO=44%
>>>3.Nairobi YES=76% , NO =24%
>>>4.Coast YES = 79% , NO =21%
>>>5.Central YES =84%, NO= 16%
>>>6.Western YES=84%, NO=16%
>>>7. Nyanza YES= 92%, NO=8%
>>>8.North Eastern YES=96%, NO=4%.
>>>
>>>I have arranged them according to the highest NO voting provinces
>>> downwards. The
>>>two provinces Rift Valley and eastern voting pattern does not reflect the
>>> image
>>>of the nation. Kenyans have suffered a lot since 1963 (since independence
>>> )
>>> with
>>>a old constitution made by the colonist and modified to fulfill the
>>> grabbers and
>>>exploiters interest. Nobody can convince me that majority of the rift
>>> valley
>>>really wanted the old constitution to go on, or wanted that more billions
>>> of tax
>>>payers money should be still spent on Mps talking rubbish and politicising
>>> the
>>>draft for another 5-10 years. Good leaders should put himself into the
>>> minds of
>>>his or her constituents, the good leader should think what course of
>>> action
>>> is
>>>most likely to benefit his or her constituents and on this point Mr. Ruto
>>> or Dr.
>>>Ruto has completly failed as a true genue leader who should have been for
>>> his
>>>poor people not against them. The voting pattern in the rift valley
>>> reflects the
>>>attitude of their leader, the tone their leader set, his spirit and his
>>> ability.
>>>He is already rich so whatever means of enriching his constituent are not
>>>important for him. This is a failure in leadership NOT a success. We all
>>> know
>>>very well that this new constitution is better than the old one and it
>>> will
>>>benefit also the poor so why is Ruto against it?. Ruto had a chance to
>>> mend
>>> the
>>>clause during Naivasha meeting and also in the parliament but
>>> unfortunately
>>> the
>>>man did not. So how will he have accomplished all those he wanted now if
>>> the NO
>>>team would have won?. Another part to blame is the civic education
>>> promoters in
>>>the rift valley: these people might have not interprated the new draft
>>> very
>>>
>>>correctly to the ordinary people. To Mr. Ruto I would give him this
>>> advice:
>>> do
>>>not do to others what you would not want them to do to you. Ruto is
>>> blocking the
>>>poor rift valley people from becoming rich or being capable of managing
>>> their
>>>own household, from owning land. He still wants them to live on hand outs
>>> from
>>>politicians, who have been using them for their own benefits only.
>>>
>>>Finally I would say that no matter how technically capable a leader may
>>> be,
>>> if
>>>he loses the trust of his constituents, he will invitably fail. I have
>>> nothing
>>>more to say about VP Kalonzo.
>>>
>>>Paul Nyandoto.
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