(please dont call them kales-its the most cosmopolitan province afta Nbi)that Mau will now be theirs afta he gets to the presidency which he did not even get!
As 4 the constitution lets run a test b4 we amend it.
You cannot be put on a start doze in anticipation of a desease.
Tonny
On Tue Aug 10th, 2010 7:07 AM EDT Bonny Opondo wrote:
>So what does Kalenjins want from Raila?Tell them to read Romans 12:1
>and 2.with the new constitution , the goverment must develop every
>region and not what Moi did for Luo Nyanza for over 20 years.Please
>avoid cheap politics and start thinking and acting positively.Otherwise
>Kales are good people.Gotab Kalenjin!
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Chris Olola <c_olola@yahoo.com>
>To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 6:00:49 PM
>Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they thought
>it was presidential election
>
>
>Sarangonyi,
>What the purpose of electing a leader? Shouldn't s\he be the one to give her\his
>constituents direction?
>
>Chris.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
>To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 7:35:45 AM
>Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they thought
>it was presidential election
>
>Eric, If you were not voting for Raila and if you have really suffered and you
>wanted redemption from the old constitution, you should have voted for the 2005
>draft. What were contentious in that draft? is it not the parliamentary system
>vs the presidential system? I know for sure that had Raila said NO, the whole of
>Luo Nyanza would have said NO. It has become a fact.... not an issue to be
>debated. Nyanza always waits for Agwambo to give direction, and all will fall on
>line.
>
>
>On 8/9/10, Eric Wabwaya Mburi <ewabwaya@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Kiprop,
>>Mr. KipropThanks you saying you think Nyanza people were voting for Raila. So
>>here i would like to inform you that it was not so. The Nyanza people are the
>>ones who have suffered most under poor governance supported by bad constitution
>>over the years and from successive governments. The people of Nyanza really know
>>what they want in a good constitution which ensures good governance for every
>>other Kenyan if not for them only. To say that Raila has been participating in
>>arbitrary arrests of youths in Rift valley is to say that you are not aware who
>>is the president of this country, and at worst not aware how the justice system
>>works. How would you expect Raila to tell the police not to arrest people deemed
>>by law to have committed atrocities which by the justice system are considered
>>criminal.And only the president has the prerogative power to pardon those
>>convicted by courts of law not the Prime minister as you may think. Ruto has his
>>own war with Raila but never compare the people of Nyanza with rift valley in
>>terms of anything. Nyanza people are far much ahead of rift-valley in virtually
>>anything and everything let alone decision making in terms of what is good
>>constitutionally or not for a people. When we had Chief Odera Kango whipping
>>women and men to take children to school in the 50's no Kalenjin considered
>>school anything to think about. Avoid creating friction among communities for
>>nothing
>>
>>________________________________
>Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:31:28 +0300
>>Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they thought
>>it was presidential election
>>From: kiprop.simion@gmail.com
>>
>>To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>As much as you may criticize Eastern Province or Rift Valley or whichever
>>Province.
>>I think Nyanza were Voting for Raila and Not really for the Constitution, the
>>same case for the leaders in their respective provinces.
>>
>>ALL IN ALL KENYANS IN TOTALITY VOTED RIGHT.
>>
>>The idea of being on the same side with Raila didn't go down well with Kalenjin
>>Community.
>>
>>The perception is Raila doesnt have Interest of the Kalenjin Community at heart
>>at based on.
>>
>> * Kalenjin voted for him to the last man in 2007.
>> * He Mobilized them to fight for their rights in 2007, they went to far i
>>guess.They thought they were fighting for a just course.
>> * He went against every issue against the community the Mau issue,arbitrary
>>arrests of young men who were seriously beaten maimed or even shot...after the
>>PEV..
>>
>> * He has been fighting their man "Leader" in the name of Ruto, in the Maize
>>scandal whereas infact he was chairing the committee,vote of no confidence and
>>even sacking despite his Ministry of Agriculture doing well.
>>
>>As much as you we might resist, Everyone has some Element of Tribalism in
>>him/herself.." a sense of belonging"...It is the way we use it that
>>matters..Positive Ethnicity.
>>
>>I admire one man RAILA.He means well for the country.But politics .......
>>
>>This is a Good Constitution, Let us make it happen.
>>
>>
>>
>>" RUTO COULD BE A BETTER LEADER THAN RAILA IN THE NEW CONSTITUTIONAL
>>DISPENSATION WHO KNOWS?....
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Jonathan Kertich <kertichj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Lee,
>>> stop lies,Ruto never talked about Mau during the campaigns.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com>
>>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 8:29:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they
>>> thought it was presidential election
>>>
>>> Korir,
>>>
>>> I come from the boarder (Belgut and Nyakach), and we share the same
>>> market every Wednesday and Friday (Sondu) and the Maize we use at home
>>> is from Kalenjin nation and they bring them to our "houses" in the
>>> village. So I want to tell you another lie that was peddled by Ruto
>>> and co to the Kalenjin Nation and I want Tim Arnold to deny since he
>>> is in record of denying everything!
>>>
>>> The Leaders of the Kalenjin Nation told the people of the Rift Valley
>>> that 1) this constitution is being pushed by Raila to take away their
>>> land, after he took away MAU 2). Raila has refused to release 20,000
>>> youths that he detained in 2008!
>>>
>>> Surely, do we deserve such leaders!
>>>
>>> On 8/8/10, Jagem K'Onyiego <jairuschurch@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Korir
>>>>
>>>> I apologize in advance if I will appear to be bold, but reading from your
>>>> narrative, on Porojo iliyo enezwa RV, let me ask this;
>>>> 1. What role did educated sons of the Rift valley "Boiseiks" do towards
>>>> making
>>>> sure that the Wazees from this area understood the written words in the
>>>> draft?
>>>> 2. Does it mean that many of these people chose to act daft to a point
>>>> they
>>>> just
>>>> "Blinded" themselves never to attempt even reading a paragraph in the
>>>> Draft?
>>>>
>>>> 3. Did they have to rely on this Mikoras to peddle these lies to them,
>>>> yet,
>>>> the
>>>> copy of the draft was available free on demand?
>>>>
>>>> My take is this, those who failed the Boisieks in RV are their sons and
>>>> daughters. These Wazees have toiled for years on end, in order for that
>>>> the
>>>> young ones to get a chance to go to school to learn, so that they can make
>>>> life
>>>> better for tomorrow. It is an obligation for these Young ones to have read
>>>> this
>>>> document and subsequently interpreted it to the Boisieks, so that in the
>>>> end
>>>> they would have made an informed decision. Apparently as it appears, a
>>>> large
>>>> percentage of those Old people voted, not based on accurate information,
>>>> but
>>>> based on "Fear Mongering" and "False information." This is morally wrong!
>>>> I
>>>> cannot imagine betraying my father/mother or grandfather to go against
>>>> something
>>>> that I know too well, will help uplift their livelihood. It is just plain
>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly Korir, It is for you to go out there and inform the people on the
>>>> right
>>>> thing. You are duty bound to do that. That is the only way we are going to
>>>> have
>>>> progressive Leadership turn around in that area. Hongera na Katiba iije
>>>> haraka!
>>>>
>>>> Jagem
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: KENNEDY KORIR <korirken63@yahoo.com>
>>>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 3:20:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they
>>>> thought
>>>> it was presidential election
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Kalenjin community was fed with total falsehood all the way,
>>>> sample this;
>>>> "Siaya district and Kericho district have already been partnered,Upon the
>>>> proclaimation of the constituition by Kibaki all the boisiek(wazees) from
>>>> the
>>>> two districts will each be given an A4 size envelope to put their title
>>>> deeds
>>>> and and travel to the Nyayo stadium on an appointed date (mid - August).
>>>> The
>>>> Luos will sit on one side and the Kipsigis on the opposite, a government
>>>> official will then call out a Mr Onyango from Siaya and a Mr Koech from
>>>> Kericho,
>>>> they will then be asked to exchange the envelopes and immediately exit the
>>>> stadium to go and make arrangements to immediately move their respective
>>>> families to their new districts".
>>>> This is the falsehood the Kalenjjin leaders were peddling in the villages
>>>> and
>>>> from the results they were believed.
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>
>>>>>Subject: Rift Valley did not vote against the New constituion/ they
>>>>> thought
>>>>> it
>>>>>was presidential election
>>>>>To: Dhiamby@aol.com, mlalahoi@googlegroups.com, jbatec@yahoo.com
>>>>>Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 12:03 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kenyans,
>>>>>
>>>>>You may not agree with me but just look at these figures:
>>>>>The 4th August new constitution voting pattern in 8 provinces:
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Rift valley YES-33%, NO=67%
>>>>>2. Eastern YES=56%, NO=44%
>>>>>3.Nairobi YES=76% , NO =24%
>>>>>4.Coast YES = 79% , NO =21%
>>>>>5.Central YES =84%, NO= 16%
>>>>>6.Western YES=84%, NO=16%
>>>>>7. Nyanza YES= 92%, NO=8%
>>>>>8.North Eastern YES=96%, NO=4%.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have arranged them according to the highest NO voting provinces
>>>>> downwards. The
>>>>>two provinces Rift Valley and eastern voting pattern does not reflect the
>>>>> image
>>>>>of the nation. Kenyans have suffered a lot since 1963 (since independence
>>>>> )
>>>>> with
>>>>>a old constitution made by the colonist and modified to fulfill the
>>>>> grabbers and
>>>>>exploiters interest. Nobody can convince me that majority of the rift
>>>>> valley
>>>>>really wanted the old constitution to go on, or wanted that more billions
>>>>> of tax
>>>>>payers money should be still spent on Mps talking rubbish and politicising
>>>>> the
>>>>>draft for another 5-10 years. Good leaders should put himself into the
>>>>> minds of
>>>>>his or her constituents, the good leader should think what course of
>>>>> action
>>>>> is
>>>>>most likely to benefit his or her constituents and on this point Mr. Ruto
>>>>> or Dr.
>>>>>Ruto has completly failed as a true genue leader who should have been for
>>>>> his
>>>>>poor people not against them. The voting pattern in the rift valley
>>>>> reflects the
>>>>>attitude of their leader, the tone their leader set, his spirit and his
>>>>> ability.
>>>>>He is already rich so whatever means of enriching his constituent are not
>>>>>important for him. This is a failure in leadership NOT a success. We all
>>>>> know
>>>>>very well that this new constitution is better than the old one and it
>>>>> will
>>>>>benefit also the poor so why is Ruto against it?. Ruto had a chance to
>>>>> mend
>>>>> the
>>>>>clause during Naivasha meeting and also in the parliament but
>>>>> unfortunately
>>>>> the
>>>>>man did not. So how will he have accomplished all those he wanted now if
>>>>> the NO
>>>>>team would have won?. Another part to blame is the civic education
>>>>> promoters in
>>>>>the rift valley: these people might have not interprated the new draft
>>>>> very
>>>>>
>>>>>correctly to the ordinary people. To Mr. Ruto I would give him this
>>>>> advice:
>>>>> do
>>>>>not do to others what you would not want them to do to you. Ruto is
>>>>> blocking the
>>>>>poor rift valley people from becoming rich or being capable of managing
>>>>> their
>>>>>own household, from owning land. He still wants them to live on hand outs
>>>>> from
>>>>>politicians, who have been using them for their own benefits only.
>>>>>
>>>>>Finally I would say that no matter how technically capable a leader may
>>>>> be,
>>>>> if
>>>>>he loses the trust of his constituents, he will invitably fail. I have
>>>>> nothing
>>>>>more to say about VP Kalonzo.
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul Nyandoto.
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