I am waiting for you team to come to Lu-Nyanza and tell us why they are trying to wedge a 'war' between Kuria, Luo and Kisii who have co-existed peacefully over the years. I come from Nyakach, Yes, but I have never understood why some goons convinced the president to grant them a district! It doesnt make sense to me!
If everyone started asking for their county, where would this lead us. This is the same message being peddle in Meru. This must stop.
Again, can you ask the "no church leaders" that the people of Nyanza needs prayers than anyone else!!
Thanks!
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:22 PM, <kibaya@aol.com> wrote:
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Thanks Buiywo for the kind words. Yes, we can be civil with each other even when we disagree. Wa Mwangi suggests that we (NO proponents) need to have our heads checked; I have challenged him to put his money where his mouth is and the proceeds shall go to a YP charity. Lakini akizidi zaidi, I'll talk to a Mr kamau of his popular joint Charlie brown not to sell him any more of his favorite Nyama choma until he sees the light..Then there is this one in DC called Dickens Odhiambo; last time he was in Kenya, Ezekiel Oyugi aka 'kalam maduong', was alive and in govt! Yet my friend will tell you with certain conviction how voters in Mikinduri-meru are going to vote! I have challenged him to put his money where his mouth is, as well...otherwise Camen, his favorite spanish waiter shall be on strike!Jonah simply has more credibility that these armchair 'experts' scattered all over the world purporting to 'know all' about voter-behavior in far away kenya.Kibaya
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:42 am
Subject: Re: NTIMAMA AND K
May God bless Ogaro and Kibaya for tabling facts without attcking pro YES sycophants who have neded up instead of telling us why the dratf is good, they are busy waiting for Ruto or Moi to make statements so that they say in contrary. The deal is sealed NO has won already!!!!and for Macharia and PS, DC's they are doing the right thing to please their superiors and put food to the table for their families and children, they have nothing else to say. its being in the right side with BIG Brother. Macharia is a business man just like a doctor who every morning prays that someone get sick for him to meet his daily pay and put food to table as well.Otherwise KATIBA tayari tutarekebisha na Kupitisha.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Mr BENJI <me_benji@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ogaro and Kibaya, I've got news for you. YES side will win, my only doubts being esp Eastern province and if that goes awry the kamba chief (VP) will have to take responsibility for that. The NO side has poked holes in everything and exploited fear and uncertainty which is natural when one is unsure. But as time passes and Kenyans think about it more and more, there is everything to gain from passing the document and moving the country forward.
Ruto has so many issues coming up, and complex ones. We aren't worried about him, he aint no hero. Credit to Moi for his consistency, has a great vision to shackle Kenya to KANU-ism and politics of 1983.
Cheers!
p.s
Flying a recupertating 65 year old around the country is not the same as him sitting at home receiving delegations. So stop with the conspiracy theories. the principals toether on this issue, equals a win.
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, kibaya@aol.com <kibaya@aol.com> wrote:
From: kibaya@aol.com <kibaya@aol.com>To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NTIMAMA AND K
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:08 AM
Folks,Take Ogaro's assessment and projections seriously. The tell-tale signs of who is panicking and employing desperate tactics are written all over the YES camp. From illegally engaging civil servants in partisan campaigns, forcing provincial administration to campaign for a document that calls for their re-deployment, to hiring goons to disrupt NO rallies; it's all too evident for those keen on digging deeper than provided by cooked-up opinion polls, that YES is in deep trouble.And as I opined earlier, the consumers of NSIS intelligence data (mostly YES stalwarts) know this and may have made peace with it. I project that central and eastern provinces will vote massively in the NO column. All the activity you see with the Yes teams in Central is all geared towards expending the available liquidity (and there is plenty of it!) and oiling campaign machines by incumbent mps for 2012.Listen to them and you'll know they're not serious..Michuki says he's in YES team to help a friend in trouble, somebody else says they need to vote YES to please Kibaki by giving him some legacy! Central province voters are the most independent/informed lot in the republic and rarely do they vote to please anybody or on instructions from anybody. Ask Kamotho, or Uhuru himself, even with the Kenyatta name; the people will only follow you if your positions align with their interests. The church is also very powerful here and virtually no politician ever locks horns with it.Now, the church and NO team are pointing out specific, offensive clauses in the proposed constitution. To respond to these with generalities like we're hearing from Kibaki, Uhuru and Kalonzo, or laughable reasons like ones advanced by Michuki or kimunya simply tells you these guys are not serious. But they have to be seen going round; otherwise how do you tap into the millions set aside for the exercise without beeing seen in Muranga, Kiambu, etc? How does SK Macharia tap into the hundreds of millions set aside for marketing/advertisements without the airing the stuff he's airing or conducting the road shows? Me thinks it's all about money my friends...pesa iko lazima ikuliwe! Isn't there a saying that you don't bury an elephant with it's tusks?
Good thing: all the political actors have read it correctly this time round. A NO win does not threaten anybody; in fact everybody wins. Ruto cements his political supremacy in RV but nothing more, Moi re-invents his relevance in RV after the disastrous 2007 routing, Kalonzo and Uhuru still retain their home turf supremacies, Raila insulates himself against reaping blame for the results, by receding from the front lines and leaving it to Kibaki. Don't tell me Tinga is not well enough to hit the road; if he can host the many mtgs we're witnessing at his home, he can surely be flown into meetings and give short speeches. It's all tactical; they're not going to catch him flat footed like they did in mau...Kudos Tinga for this tactical positioning!Kibaki loses nothing. In fact he wins by defeating the muzungu's ill conceived crusade (In kibaki and moi's minds this constitution writing thing is mzungu idea, and we all know how much they loathe such). Kibaki has become a master of winning by losing/appearing to lose and this could be one such moment..Kibaya
-----Original Message-------
From: Jonah Ogaro <jonahogaro@hotmail.com>
To: mlalahoi mlalahoi <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:23 pm
Subject: RE: NTIMAMA AND K
I'm not worried of Ntimama declaration. Those are the kicks of a dying horse and the losing YES team. Today as I was going to Kisii, I passed through Mai Mahiu and a Chief complete in uniform asked me for a lift to go and attend a DCs meeting at Narok. He told us that most of the Maasai's are in the NO side. They have declared that Ruto must be allowed to attend Suswa meeting at Suswa OR else the King of Maasai will not be allowed also in the constituency.
And by the way, why hasn't Mzalendo taken up Ntimama for hate speech.
I was attending a funeral today in my home area in Kisii. My enquiry confirmed that the NO is carrying the day.
Those in the YES they better prepare to join the NO after referendum to come up with a good constitution.
Nd Omtatah, thank you for your articles. They have beefed up my civic education materials which I'm dishing out to people in my home area. The NO will win unless we get a Kivuitu type surprise.
> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:52:03 +0300
> Subject: Re: NTIMAMA AND K
> From: amosogal@gmail.com
> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>
> All Ntimama said was that Suswa is a sacred place for the Maa
> community! Its not a place for every Moi, Raila, Ruto to go and hold
> rallies. They must seek the permission of Maa leaders!
>
> Otherwise,something similar to what happen when Raila was installed as
> a Maa leader will happen again!
>
>
>
>
> On 7/20/10, Justice Kirwok <kirwok@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > If you recently listened to Ntimama's speech prohibiting the NO
> > campaigners from doing their campaigns at Suswa, and also Njenga
> > Karume's speech in Molo about LAND then you can never be convinced
> > further that they are purely bloody hate speeches.
> >
> > With this kind of trend, especially these guys being immune to
> > Kubunja's commission(or inspired by NCIIC?) I have lost the last hope
> > of seeing a peaceful Kenya after referendum whether the YES or NO
> > wins.
> >
> > J. Kirwok
> >
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