On 8/11/10, Chris Olola <c_olola@yahoo.com> wrote:
--Maurice,
I hear you bro. We forgive but we have to learn from the past. The past cannot be erased! I understand each of us has strengths and weaknesses. Kenyans respected the former President that's why he is able to enjoy (lavishly) the taxpayers quid -- by virtue of his role as a President. He should, therefore, leave us (Kenyans and) the incumbent to do their thing. We don't even need to debate about him right now, let alone defend him, like Ngonyi is trying to put to us.
Chris.
From: maurice oduor <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 1:07:14 PM
Subject: Re: Moi is preaching TRIBALISM
Chris,Give Ngonyi a break. He's trying in his own way to explain to us the good things Moi did in his 24 yrs in power. Yes, Moi made a lot of mistakes but even Amolo forgave him and even worked with him for a while. If Amolo can do that, who is Maurice J oduor or Chris Olola to keep hounding Moi? Let's let Moi enjoy his retirement.The kinds of stupidity we see in Migingo Island and at the Sudanese border could not happen during Moi's time. Other countries respected our borders because of Moi's resolve. Let's give the old man credit where credit is due.Courage,
Maurice
From: Chris Olola <c_olola@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Cc: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 12:58:49 PM
Subject: Re: Moi is preaching TRIBALISM
Sago,By all standards and with all due respect, you're an inciter. The NEW Kenya doesn't need such devicive sentiments -- they're uncalled for. Papa Likondi would label you "wewe bure kabisa". Let's move on and build Kenya -- it's OUR county -- OUR motherland, forever.Chris.
From: otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 10:34:59 AM
Subject: Re: Moi is preaching TRIBALISMSago bro,Do you ever get tired of this energy sapping activity of "defending the indefensible?" I wish you would spare time to move discussions from defending Moi because honestly, he needs no defense, nobody wants to do anything to Moi despite all the ills he committed, he was forgiven a long time ago that is why he enjoys our taxes to finance his retirement otherwise if we were really bad people, Moi would be answering charges about crimes against humanity that happened in the 1990s.Otieno Sungu.
From: sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com>
To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:47:43 PM
Subject: Re: Moi is preaching TRIBALISM
Lee, then kill me. In your opinion, i do not have a right to give an opinion? you want to silence me the way you would like to silence Moi? I will speak up my mind brother and i will never be silenced. That is the unfortunate thing for you.
On 8/10/10, Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com> wrote:Sagongonyi must be stopped! His message here is not very good and I
bet it will not be taken lightly by some people! Can we move on as a
country!
On 8/10/10, sagongonyi chemurwok <chemurwok@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kennedy, for your info, that is my real name. One is Kurenet and the other
> is what i was given by my mother... but that is besides the point. I think
> the kales on this forum can tell who is NGETET between me and you. You never
> underwent some kale basic trainings especially on how to become a man.
> There is a lot of evidence from your writings that goes to confirm this. My
> suspicion is that you are lakwetab suben.... if at all you know what that
> means. How come you are quick to name kales as the aggressors? how come you
> are not able to see Naivasha (who killed luos in Naivasha?... kales?),
> Kisumu and Nairobi in PEV? was it also the kales who were fighting these
> wars? how come you are not able to see Nyachae chasing Ruto and Magara
> before the 2007? Infact Ruto lost his shoes in the process and Nyachae went
> a head to inspect the Chinkororo guard of honour. Nobody was arrested after
> this incident. I know you are blind not to see that these are events that
> created tension and later on war between the kipsigis and the kisiis. How
> come you are not asking what happened to kyuks who were in Kakamega and
> Busia?.... the same guys who Museveni has given sanctuary in Uganda
> todate?... i bet you will still say it was the kales that evicted them. You
> are a man who can strip his mother in public and call people to come and see
> her. Wars have been fought by all tribes and it is not only the kales who
> have been fighting. Even in coast, the Giriama have fought upcountry people
> before. Read your history from the precolonial period and try to understand
> why these wars might still recur in future if some histoical issues are not
> addressed.
>
> You can go on ranting in this forum but that will not change our status or
> our thinking. We decide our destiny as a people.....it is only fools that
> can listen to your song. If you are looking for a position in this gvt, do
> not mudsling our name.... just go a head and beg in harambee house or
> treasury.... that is where you belong ndugu.
>
> On 8/9/10, KENNEDY KORIR <korirken63@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Stepham,
>> In 2007 you and your likes started a tribal war in Rift Valley under the
>> pretext Kibaki stole the elections did you have any evidence? Of course
>> not.
>>
>> - Where is the evidence that a church was burnt in Eldoret after the
>> elections
>> - where is the evidence that there was post-election violence in Kenya
>> - where is the evidence that Kisiis were chased out of the tea
>> plantations in Kericho
>>
>> Yes, where is the evidence, also go to the police if you can avail any of
>> the above
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 8/9/10, steph AM <stepham4@gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: steph AM <stepham4@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Moi is preaching TRIBALISM
>> To: mlalahoi@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 4:07 AM
>>
>>
>> Korir,
>>
>> Please be careful, unless you have evidence that the likes of 'total man'
>> trained anyone to kill kenyans.You are going too far.And if you have
>> any,what are you waiting for?Go to the police, otherwise you are a key
>> suspect.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:05 PM, KENNEDY KORIR
>> <korirken63@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=korirken63@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Eric,
>> You missed my point, which was - yes he predicted tribalism and did
>> everything within or without his power to ensure his prophesies
>> materilized.
>> This inclueded the political tribal clashes etc.
>> You will remember the training bases in Mau funded by the likes of total
>> man and after every attack people saying ' we were attacked not by our
>> neighbours but people we have never seen. Even the police used to retreat
>> to
>> allow attacks
>> Papa Likondi are you reading?
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 8/9/10, Eric Wabwaya Mburi
>> <ewabwaya@hotmail.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ewabwaya@hotmail.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Eric Wabwaya Mburi
>> <ewabwaya@hotmail.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ewabwaya@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> Subject: RE: Moi is preaching TRIBALISM
>> To: "Agola Atieno"
>> <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
>> >
>> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:06 AM
>>
>>
>> Korir,
>> Please don't take us along that line kindly. People of nobility don't take
>> Moi nicely at all. He instigated the same to justify his ill motives for
>> Kenyans. It will never happen this time round since he has no power to
>> influence nor instigate the same for his own personal agenda as he was
>> prone
>> to doing there before when he had the reigns of power. he will not and I
>> repeat he will not. During Moi's time ven the ver peaceful Luos and Kales
>> in
>> their borders used to fight in the name of land clashes instigated by Moi
>> and the so called Total Man.They are alive to see how evil does not pay.
>> Moi
>> now runs around like headless chicken not having power to influence any
>> little thing to justify hie evil deeds to kenyans
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 00:53:12 -0700
>> From:
>> korirken63@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=korirken63@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: Moi is preaching TRIBALISM
>> To:
>> mlalahoi@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
>>
>> At the advent of multi-party democracy (after the collapse of the
>> communism) Moi also said that multi-party democracy would bring the worst
>> level of tribalism and this my dear friends came to pass
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 8/9/10, Eric Wabwaya Mburi
>> <ewabwaya@hotmail.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ewabwaya@hotmail.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Eric Wabwaya Mburi
>> <ewabwaya@hotmail.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ewabwaya@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> Subject: RE: Moi is preaching TRIBALISM
>> To: "Agola Atieno"
>> <mlalahoi@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
>> >
>> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 12:10 AM
>>
>> Paul Nyandoto,
>> Paul let me put it to you that its you who doesn't understand Moi. Moi is
>> fighting to save his ill gotten wealth he stole from Kenyans over the
>> years.
>> I always know that a prudent ma is aware that his actions here on earth
>> however long it takes will always catch up with him. This is one thing
>> that
>> Moi has failed to appreciate all his life time. Moi never believed that
>> Kenya would get to where it is right now and I thank God who has kept Moi
>> to
>> date to see how he misruled this country for years>He should be the last
>> one
>> to talk about tribalism if anything. Moi must now realise that he is
>> loosing
>> respect b the day as he continues to echo his sentiments on issues
>> especially of governance. In as much as some people like Siongoki will
>> argue
>> that Moi has a right as a Kenyan to air his views,the question still
>> is,doesn't he have an obligation to be remorseful about the ills he did to
>> Kenyans during his rule. And those Kenyans who suffered under him,were
>> they
>> not entitled to rights that Moi now claims to have?
>>
>> I think its time Moi behaved
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:21:29 +0300
>> From:
>> paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=paul.nyandoto@phsotey.fi>
>> To:
>> mlalahoi@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mlalahoi@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Moi is preaching TRIBALISM
>>
>> Kenyans,
>>
>> I am just shocked to hear what former president Moi is trying to tell
>> Kenyans, the report is written in today`s standard magazine under heading
>> `no need to apologise, Moi tells clerics`.
>>
>>
>> http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000015756&cid=4&ttl=No%20need%20to%20apologise,%20Moi%20tells%20clerics
>>
>> The constitution is already passed by majority of Kenyan voters, despite
>> all that Moi is bussy telling people that the document will bring
>> tribalism.
>> These are Moi`s words; `* He cited the proposed counties, which he feels
>> would divide Kenya along tribal lines. "There will be governors in each
>> county, but this will strengthen tribal feelings and discrimination all
>> over
>> again," he said.`.*
>> **
>> *Moi said he knows all corners of the Rift Valley and it is cosmopolitan
>> unlike other areas where one community is dominant.
>> "He who wears a shoe knows where it pinches. I know this province. Those
>> in
>> homogeneous areas do not understand," he said.
>> *
>> Why can n`t he as a former president stand up to preach tolorance in the
>> province instead of threatening people with tribalism under the new
>> constitution?. What is the role of a leader? . He still talks as a leader
>> so let him also act as one. I do find it very odd when a former president
>> who ruled the country for 24 years never eliminated tribalism. The old
>> document made a lot of people to be burnt in 2008 and after each and
>> every
>> election during Moi`s time there was always fire burning somewhere; What
>> did Moi do about that. He himself used divide and rule tactics to stick
>> to
>> power for 24 years, was he not using tribalism also among his tactics or
>> what is this old man trying to tell us?. Why didn`t Moi eliminate
>> tribalism
>> even in jobs appointments, scholarships distributions, tenders
>> distribution,
>> provincial developments etc. Under him grew people like TOTAL MAN
>> (Biwott)
>> without responsibility but rich like a baby dog. What is wrong with this
>> former president. Moi should have a good advisor who goes through his
>> speech
>> before it is published, he should earn respect from Kenyans not hatred.
>>
>> Paul Nyandoto
>>
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